Discussion:
OT : howdy deadwooders
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aaron
2004-04-26 20:59:10 UTC
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i guess since it's going to be 8 months until a new tlw episode, i vote
that that we might as well carry on with deadwood discussions. it it
technically OT, but who's going to complain?

since subtext seems to be the subject du jour: it obvious between sol
and seth. even this straight guy can see it. if it weren't a david milch
production i'd be more likely to pass it off as more of a comrade in
arms type thing (my opinion of WB and charlie), but david milch has a
history of putting homosexual themes/characters in his tv shows. of
course i have no idea how homosexuality/tg was dealt with in the old
west. (anyone see 'ballad of little jo')

being a poker aficionado, i was hoping the they would work in the famous
hand WB was holding when he was shot. the "dead mans hand". no such
luck. the way they showed it, no one even saw it to record the hand. bah.

jane is just annoying the hell out of me. drunk jane, crying jane,
yelling jane. how about fed to the pigs jane, please!
and while their at it, feed the preacher to the pigs also.

overall, love the show. the characters are great, and deeply intertwined.
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l***@large.com
2004-04-28 03:25:04 UTC
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Post by aaron
i guess since it's going to be 8 months until a new tlw episode, i vote
that that we might as well carry on with deadwood discussions. it it
technically OT, but who's going to complain?
I came to that same conclusion a few days ago when I discovered L-Word
is no longer offered On Demand.
Post by aaron
since subtext seems to be the subject du jour: it obvious between sol
and seth. even this straight guy can see it. if it weren't a david milch
production i'd be more likely to pass it off as more of a comrade in
arms type thing (my opinion of WB and charlie), but david milch has a
history of putting homosexual themes/characters in his tv shows. of
course i have no idea how homosexuality/tg was dealt with in the old
west. (anyone see 'ballad of little jo')
No. What's it about?
Post by aaron
being a poker aficionado, i was hoping the they would work in the famous
hand WB was holding when he was shot. the "dead mans hand". no such
luck. the way they showed it, no one even saw it to record the hand. bah.
What was it?
Post by aaron
jane is just annoying the hell out of me. drunk jane, crying jane,
yelling jane. how about fed to the pigs jane, please!
and while their at it, feed the preacher to the pigs also.
I love Jane! She cracks me up. Especially when she came back from the
river with water and yelled to Andy, "ARE YEW DEEAD?" LOL!!
Post by aaron
overall, love the show. the characters are great, and deeply intertwined.
It's a great one! And last week's ep was superb!! I can't wait to post
about it but I ran outa time. Suffice it to say I suspect Cy is going to
turn out to be so bad we will actually find ourselves rooting for Al at
some junctures. Can't wait!

Calamity Coyote
aaron
2004-05-01 07:40:41 UTC
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Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
i guess since it's going to be 8 months until a new tlw episode, i vote
that that we might as well carry on with deadwood discussions. it it
technically OT, but who's going to complain?
I came to that same conclusion a few days ago when I discovered L-Word
is no longer offered On Demand.
it's always available when burned on cd. :)

actually, TLW just started airing in australia. on public tv no less. i
wonder how much they would have to cut to put TLW on regular cable here?
Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
since subtext seems to be the subject du jour: it obvious between sol
and seth. even this straight guy can see it. if it weren't a david milch
production i'd be more likely to pass it off as more of a comrade in
arms type thing (my opinion of WB and charlie), but david milch has a
history of putting homosexual themes/characters in his tv shows. of
course i have no idea how homosexuality/tg was dealt with in the old
west. (anyone see 'ballad of little jo')
No. What's it about?
a woman (suzy amis) is unwilling to fall into one of the 2 roles
available to women in the old west. (wife, prostitute) so she attempts
to pass as a man to live her life.
Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
being a poker aficionado, i was hoping the they would work in the famous
hand WB was holding when he was shot. the "dead mans hand". no such
luck. the way they showed it, no one even saw it to record the hand. bah.
What was it?
two pair, aces and eights. no matter where you are, what game you
happen to be in, if someone shows that hand, someone else will always
comment "the deadman's hand". it's like the 'liquor in the front, poker
in the rear' comment. it's so old, that it becomes expected.
Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
jane is just annoying the hell out of me. drunk jane, crying jane,
yelling jane. how about fed to the pigs jane, please!
and while their at it, feed the preacher to the pigs also.
I love Jane! She cracks me up. Especially when she came back from the
river with water and yelled to Andy, "ARE YEW DEEAD?" LOL!!
ugh. fingernails on a blackboard. well, i figure the pox will be on
her soon.

al is great, in a horrible way. he's so over the top, but completely
believable. but i think e.b. is the best. i'm just waiting for his
brother darryl to show up.
Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
overall, love the show. the characters are great, and deeply intertwined.
It's a great one! And last week's ep was superb!! I can't wait to post
about it but I ran outa time. Suffice it to say I suspect Cy is going to
turn out to be so bad we will actually find ourselves rooting for Al at
some junctures. Can't wait!
Calamity Coyote
post away, but i haven't seen it yet. (my newsserver is yakking at the
moment.) love your insights.

aaron
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Calamity Coyote ()
2004-05-04 01:09:24 UTC
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Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
i guess since it's going to be 8 months until a new tlw episode, i vote
that that we might as well carry on with deadwood discussions. it it
technically OT, but who's going to complain?
I came to that same conclusion a few days ago when I discovered L-Word
is no longer offered On Demand.
it's always available when burned on cd. :)
Or to video. But for those who wanted to save that mess I don't see
them posting here. ;)
Post by aaron
actually, TLW just started airing in australia. on public tv no less. i
wonder how much they would have to cut to put TLW on regular cable here?
Where are you? (I also noticed Showtime is starting reruns once a week
on Sat night... or maybe they've been doing that awhile.)
Post by aaron
Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
since subtext seems to be the subject du jour: it obvious between sol
and seth. even this straight guy can see it. if it weren't a david milch
production i'd be more likely to pass it off as more of a comrade in
arms type thing (my opinion of WB and charlie), but david milch has a
history of putting homosexual themes/characters in his tv shows. of
course i have no idea how homosexuality/tg was dealt with in the old
west. (anyone see 'ballad of little jo')
No. What's it about?
a woman (suzy amis) is unwilling to fall into one of the 2 roles
available to women in the old west. (wife, prostitute) so she attempts
to pass as a man to live her life.
There's a famous Old West character who actually DID do that, and it
was not discovered she wasn't a man until her death when the
undertaker undressed her. A very famous name I can't recall. But it
wasn't "Billy Joe." She might have been a gunslinger or... she had
fame in her lifetime. Or a reputation. Maybe it'll come to me later.
Post by aaron
Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
being a poker aficionado, i was hoping the they would work in the famous
hand WB was holding when he was shot. the "dead mans hand". no such
luck. the way they showed it, no one even saw it to record the hand. bah.
What was it?
two pair, aces and eights. no matter where you are, what game you
happen to be in, if someone shows that hand, someone else will always
comment "the deadman's hand". it's like the 'liquor in the front, poker
in the rear' comment. it's so old, that it becomes expected.
Notice they did include it last night? The guy who got WB's bullet in
his wrist revealed the hand Bill was holding when he told his story to
Charlie. But the way they played that scene I wondered if people
thought this man was embellishing the story and making things up. That
maybe he never saw the hand at all. What was your impression?
Post by aaron
Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
jane is just annoying the hell out of me. drunk jane, crying jane,
yelling jane. how about fed to the pigs jane, please!
and while their at it, feed the preacher to the pigs also.
I love Jane! She cracks me up. Especially when she came back from the
river with water and yelled to Andy, "ARE YEW DEEAD?" LOL!!
ugh. fingernails on a blackboard. well, i figure the pox will be on
her soon.
Not so! Long live the Janemeister!
Post by aaron
al is great, in a horrible way. he's so over the top, but completely
believable. but i think e.b. is the best. i'm just waiting for his
brother darryl to show up.
Is this an inside joke or did he mention in some ep that he has a
brother? EB just keeps getting creepier and creepier! He *is* a great
character, though one I loathe as opposed to like. He's a great slimey
scumbag.
Post by aaron
Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
overall, love the show. the characters are great, and deeply intertwined.
It's a great one! And last week's ep was superb!! I can't wait to post
about it but I ran outa time. Suffice it to say I suspect Cy is going to
turn out to be so bad we will actually find ourselves rooting for Al at
some junctures. Can't wait!
Calamity Coyote
post away, but i haven't seen it yet. (my newsserver is yakking at the
moment.) love your insights.
Thank you for that. Will try to find time to post more this week.
Post by aaron
aaron
So what's your Deadwood handle? :)


Calamity Coyote
Tulgey Wood
2004-05-09 18:18:32 UTC
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There's a famous Old West character who actually DID do that, and it
was not discovered she wasn't a man until her death when the
undertaker undressed her. A very famous name I can't recall. But it
wasn't "Billy Joe." She might have been a gunslinger or... she had
fame in her lifetime. Or a reputation. Maybe it'll come to me later.
There's a series on the History Channel called Wild West Tech, hosted by
Keith Carradine (http://www.historychannel.com/wildwesttech/). It's on
Tuesday nights, I think. Last week I caught the tail end of a segment
about theories that Billy the Kid was a woman. But that's not who
you're thinking of, I'm sure. Interesting show, anyway.
Calamity Coyote ()
2004-05-11 21:13:31 UTC
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Post by Calamity Coyote ()
There's a famous Old West character who actually DID do that, and it
was not discovered she wasn't a man until her death when the
undertaker undressed her. A very famous name I can't recall. But it
wasn't "Billy Joe." She might have been a gunslinger or... she had
fame in her lifetime. Or a reputation. Maybe it'll come to me later.
There's a series on the History Channel called Wild West Tech, hosted by
Keith Carradine (http://www.historychannel.com/wildwesttech/). It's on
Tuesday nights, I think. Last week I caught the tail end of a segment
about theories that Billy the Kid was a woman. But that's not who
you're thinking of, I'm sure. Interesting show, anyway.
I'll have to check that out if I can remember. It was someone as
famous as that though. I can even see her picture in my head sitting
on a coach bench with a cigar. A large woman/man. (I think BTKid was
thin and angular IIRC.) Well known for her cussing, drinking and her
rough life. A lot like Jane, but it wasn't Jane, (who was always known
as a woman).

Maybe it'll come to me...
aaron
2004-05-10 10:07:31 UTC
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Post by aaron
actually, TLW just started airing in australia. on public tv no less. i
wonder how much they would have to cut to put TLW on regular cable here?
Where are you? (I also noticed Showtime is starting reruns once a week
on Sat night... or maybe they've been doing that awhile.)
las vegas, usa.
but one of the boards i occasion (mediablvd.com) is suddenly filled with
aussies. believe it or not, TLW is being shown on over the air tv with
minimal cuts. it would be interesting to see you go there and spread
some of your opinions on TLW. harsh criticism isn't exactly in abundance.
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Post by aaron
Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
since subtext seems to be the subject du jour: it obvious between sol
and seth. even this straight guy can see it. if it weren't a david milch
production i'd be more likely to pass it off as more of a comrade in
arms type thing (my opinion of WB and charlie), but david milch has a
history of putting homosexual themes/characters in his tv shows. of
course i have no idea how homosexuality/tg was dealt with in the old
west. (anyone see 'ballad of little jo')
No. What's it about?
a woman (suzy amis) is unwilling to fall into one of the 2 roles
available to women in the old west. (wife, prostitute) so she attempts
to pass as a man to live her life.
There's a famous Old West character who actually DID do that, and it
was not discovered she wasn't a man until her death when the
undertaker undressed her. A very famous name I can't recall. But it
wasn't "Billy Joe." She might have been a gunslinger or... she had
fame in her lifetime. Or a reputation. Maybe it'll come to me later.
not to spoiler the movie, but the outcome sounds very similar. although
the woman in the movie was not famous or a gunslinger.
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Post by aaron
Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
being a poker aficionado, i was hoping the they would work in the famous
hand WB was holding when he was shot. the "dead mans hand". no such
luck. the way they showed it, no one even saw it to record the hand. bah.
What was it?
two pair, aces and eights. no matter where you are, what game you
happen to be in, if someone shows that hand, someone else will always
comment "the deadman's hand". it's like the 'liquor in the front, poker
in the rear' comment. it's so old, that it becomes expected.
Notice they did include it last night? The guy who got WB's bullet in
his wrist revealed the hand Bill was holding when he told his story to
Charlie. But the way they played that scene I wondered if people
thought this man was embellishing the story and making things up. That
maybe he never saw the hand at all. What was your impression?
not surprised at all. nobody was buying the story at all. at this point
it really doesn't matter. i mean really, if you see a guy get shot,
who'd looking at the $*&^%&^ cards. even today, card rooms probably
have a person die in the middle of a hand at least once a year. what do
they do? do they worry about what the guy was holding?
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Post by aaron
Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
jane is just annoying the hell out of me. drunk jane, crying jane,
yelling jane. how about fed to the pigs jane, please!
and while their at it, feed the preacher to the pigs also.
I love Jane! She cracks me up. Especially when she came back from the
river with water and yelled to Andy, "ARE YEW DEEAD?" LOL!!
ugh. fingernails on a blackboard. well, i figure the pox will be on
her soon.
Not so! Long live the Janemeister!
arrrgggghhhhh.

in fairness, i must admit she has been toned down in the last two
episodes. and her scene at the graveyard with charlie was great.
speaking of shakespeare (in other posts), they were like a couple of
fairies there. heck, jane even looks the part. :)
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Post by aaron
al is great, in a horrible way. he's so over the top, but completely
believable. but i think e.b. is the best. i'm just waiting for his
brother darryl to show up.
Is this an inside joke or did he mention in some ep that he has a
brother? EB just keeps getting creepier and creepier! He *is* a great
character, though one I loathe as opposed to like. He's a great slimey
scumbag.
a refrence to the tv show 'newhart' where william sanderson had a series
long, cult, bit part as a scruffy country bumpkin with 2 brothers named
darryl, he would always introduce: "Hi, I'm Larry, this is my brother
Darryl and this is my other brother Darryl".

http://imdb.com/title/tt0083455/

i don't know that EB is any more a scumbag than al. i do think trixie
is a lot less of one than either of those two, though she is working her
own angles. i guess that means she's bound to end up as pig food.
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Post by aaron
Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
overall, love the show. the characters are great, and deeply intertwined.
It's a great one! And last week's ep was superb!! I can't wait to post
about it but I ran outa time. Suffice it to say I suspect Cy is going to
turn out to be so bad we will actually find ourselves rooting for Al at
some junctures. Can't wait!
Calamity Coyote
post away, but i haven't seen it yet. (my newsserver is yakking at the
moment.) love your insights.
Thank you for that. Will try to find time to post more this week.
i've just caught up to last weeks show, now it's time to scrounge for
this weeks. damn this news server.
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Post by aaron
aaron
So what's your Deadwood handle? :)
yikes, i'm handle free. how about

Boxman :)
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Calamity Coyote ()
2004-05-11 21:15:22 UTC
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Post by aaron
actually, TLW just started airing in australia. on public tv no less. i
wonder how much they would have to cut to put TLW on regular cable here?
Where are you? (I also noticed Showtime is starting reruns once a week
on Sat night... or maybe they've been doing that awhile.)
las vegas, usa.
but one of the boards i occasion (mediablvd.com) is suddenly filled with
aussies. believe it or not, TLW is being shown on over the air tv with
minimal cuts.
America is so Puritan! I'm not surprised.
Post by aaron
it would be interesting to see you go there and spread
some of your opinions on TLW. harsh criticism isn't exactly in abundance.
Someone will come along sooner or later... :)
Post by aaron
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Post by aaron
Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
since subtext seems to be the subject du jour: it obvious between sol
and seth. even this straight guy can see it. if it weren't a david milch
production i'd be more likely to pass it off as more of a comrade in
arms type thing (my opinion of WB and charlie), but david milch has a
history of putting homosexual themes/characters in his tv shows. of
course i have no idea how homosexuality/tg was dealt with in the old
west. (anyone see 'ballad of little jo')
No. What's it about?
a woman (suzy amis) is unwilling to fall into one of the 2 roles
available to women in the old west. (wife, prostitute) so she attempts
to pass as a man to live her life.
There's a famous Old West character who actually DID do that, and it
was not discovered she wasn't a man until her death when the
undertaker undressed her. A very famous name I can't recall. But it
wasn't "Billy Joe." She might have been a gunslinger or... she had
fame in her lifetime. Or a reputation. Maybe it'll come to me later.
not to spoiler the movie, but the outcome sounds very similar. although
the woman in the movie was not famous or a gunslinger.
But I'd bet she was based at least loosely on this real person. Seems
too coincidental not to be!
Post by aaron
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Post by aaron
Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
being a poker aficionado, i was hoping the they would work in the famous
hand WB was holding when he was shot. the "dead mans hand". no such
luck. the way they showed it, no one even saw it to record the hand. bah.
What was it?
two pair, aces and eights. [...]
Notice they did include it last night? The guy who got WB's bullet in
his wrist revealed the hand Bill was holding when he told his story to
Charlie. But the way they played that scene I wondered if people
thought this man was embellishing the story and making things up. That
maybe he never saw the hand at all. What was your impression?
not surprised at all. nobody was buying the story at all. at this point
it really doesn't matter. i mean really, if you see a guy get shot,
who'd looking at the $*&^%&^ cards.
Well, they mighta looked at his only cause he was infamous and had a
reputation for losing so badly at poker. But the way they played it in
Deadwood, it almost looked like the guy made WB's hand up.
Post by aaron
even today, card rooms probably
have a person die in the middle of a hand at least once a year. what do
they do? do they worry about what the guy was holding?
True. But none of those people are famous.

[Re: Jane]
Post by aaron
in fairness, i must admit she has been toned down in the last two
episodes. and her scene at the graveyard with charlie was great.
speaking of shakespeare (in other posts), they were like a couple of
fairies there. heck, jane even looks the part. :)
That was by far one of the best scenes to date. The way they -try- to
be friends is just so funny.
Post by aaron
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Post by aaron
al is great, in a horrible way. he's so over the top, but completely
believable. but i think e.b. is the best. i'm just waiting for his
brother darryl to show up.
Is this an inside joke or did he mention in some ep that he has a
brother? EB just keeps getting creepier and creepier! He *is* a great
character, though one I loathe as opposed to like. He's a great slimey
scumbag.
a refrence to the tv show 'newhart' where william sanderson had a series
long, cult, bit part as a scruffy country bumpkin with 2 brothers named
darryl, he would always introduce: "Hi, I'm Larry, this is my brother
Darryl and this is my other brother Darryl".
FTR my gf got that right away and laughed. I only caught Newhart a
couple of times but vaguely remember him now that you mentioned it.
Post by aaron
http://imdb.com/title/tt0083455/
i don't know that EB is any more a scumbag than al. i do think trixie
is a lot less of one than either of those two, though she is working her
own angles. i guess that means she's bound to end up as pig food.
No way! Not the Trickster! Her 'angles' are usually to help someone
else or to keep from getting killed. But we (my gf and I) were talking
saying even though we'd like Tricksie to get free of Al, we don't,
because the two of them create something more interesting than Al
alone. She's like an inside player we can count on to be on our side
no matter what Al's up to. And the tension of worrying about her works
to heighten Al's villainy.

[...]
Post by aaron
i've just caught up to last weeks show, now it's time to scrounge for
this weeks. damn this news server.
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Post by aaron
aaron
So what's your Deadwood handle? :)
yikes, i'm handle free. how about
Boxman :)
Like coffin-maker? You're gonna be spending a lot of time with the
Rev.! Hope you like scripture! :)

Calamity Coyote
Tulgey Wood
2004-05-15 03:56:16 UTC
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Post by aaron
being a poker aficionado, i was hoping the they would work in the famous
hand WB was holding when he was shot. the "dead mans hand". no such
luck. the way they showed it, no one even saw it to record the hand. bah.
[snip]
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Post by aaron
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Notice they did include it last night? The guy who got WB's bullet in
his wrist revealed the hand Bill was holding when he told his story to
Charlie. But the way they played that scene I wondered if people
thought this man was embellishing the story and making things up. That
maybe he never saw the hand at all. What was your impression?
not surprised at all. nobody was buying the story at all. at this point
it really doesn't matter. i mean really, if you see a guy get shot,
who'd looking at the $*&^%&^ cards.
Well, they mighta looked at his only cause he was infamous and had a
reputation for losing so badly at poker. But the way they played it in
Deadwood, it almost looked like the guy made WB's hand up.
In the Jack McCall trial episode, this guy tried to bribe the judge to
let him testify, citing his "possession" of the fatal bullet entitled
him to do. Obviously, he wants more than his measly 15 minutes, and is
is trying to insert himself into the historical Hickok murder tale.
Whether Hickok's "death hand" was actually documented, or invented
afterward for the sake of story has long been debated. IAC, the famous
dead man's hand has no provenance, and that is very likely the point the
writers are trying to make with Bullet Wrist. Cool, I reckon. :-)

[snip]

[Re Jane:]
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Post by aaron
her scene at the graveyard with charlie was great. speaking of
shakespeare (in other posts), they were like a couple of fairies
there.
Now the hungry lion roars,
And the wolf behowls the moon;
Whilst the heavy ploughman snores,
All with weary task fordone.
Now the wasted brands do glow,
Whilst the screech-owl, screeching loud,
Puts the wretch that lies in woe
In remembrance of a shroud.
Now it is the time of night
That the graves, all gaping wide,
Every one lets forth his sprite,
In the church-way paths to glide:
And we fairies, that do run
By the triple Hecate’s team,
From the presence of the sun,
Following darkness like a dream,
Now are frolic; not a mouse
Shall disturb this hallow’d house:
I am sent with broom before,
To sweep the dust behind the door.
--Puck (aka Robin Goodfellow), A Midsummer-Night's Dream
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Post by aaron
heck, jane even looks the part. :)
Yep, and if she'd a garland of flowers in her hair, I'd have said she
was a direct rip off. ;-)

In emerald tufts, flowers purple, blue, and white;
Like sapphire, pearl, and rich embroidery,
Buckled below fair knighthood’s bending knee:
Fairies use flowers for their charactery.
--Anne Page, The Merry Wives of Windsor
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
That was by far one of the best scenes to date. The way they -try- to
be friends is just so funny.
They're pretending *not* to try. But they really do like each other
quite a lot. Recall Charlie's complaint to Bill in the first ep that
Jane liked Bill better, and that he (Charlie) always seemed to be on her
bad side no matter what he said or did. Jane has warmed to Charlie
lately (in her unique way of warming), because now Bill's dead, Charlie
is her only connection to him.

[snip]
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Post by aaron
i don't know that EB is any more a scumbag than al. i do think trixie
is a lot less of one than either of those two, though she is working her
own angles. i guess that means she's bound to end up as pig food.
No way! Not the Trickster! Her 'angles' are usually to help someone
else or to keep from getting killed. But we (my gf and I) were talking
Might you talk on board, too, please? An additional bod makes for more
Deadwood discussion. :-)
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saying even though we'd like Tricksie to get free of Al, we don't,
because the two of them create something more interesting than Al
alone.
Or Trixie alone. How boring would she be (will she be?) hooked up with
Sol? Trixie and Al add depth each other. Excellent characters, both.

(Sol's obviously interested in Trixie. I wonder if the point in that is
to have him "rescue" her from Al. From one man to another--hardly a
proper rescue, by today's standards, but a rescue, nevertheless.)
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
She's like an inside player we can count on to be on our side no
matter what Al's up to.
But because she's a 19th century woman, she has the luxury of doing the
right thing only to the point it interferes with her survival. Beyond
that, she'll have to be strong enough to face the unknown consequences
of her actions. And as a 19th century whore, she'll have to be willing
to accept the possibility of having to pay the ultimate sacrifice not
for another's life, but for another's daily bread (so to speak--IOW,
general welfare).

And, unless there's something going on behind scenes, it seems a bit odd
that Trixie suddenly tries to top herself with an overdose. IAC, she
recovers, and immediately she returns to submitting to Al. She carries
the assay sample to Al like a dog bringing kill to its alpha. To his
credit, he's more interested in what she's done to herself than what she
brung him.
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
And the tension of worrying about her works to heighten Al's villainy.
I'm willing to bet Al's villainy won't extend to killing Trixie (unless
he has E B or Dan do her)...in contrast to Cy's villainy, which might
cut Joanie's throat should she be the first to cross his path on a day
he gets up on the wrong side of the bed.

(Ps. Sorry for all the Shakespeare quotin', above. The lines just
seemed sorta apt to the scene with Jane & Charlie in the graveyard, and
I just didn't know when to shaddup. I love Shakespeare, and try never
to miss an opportunity to bore people senseless with him.) :-D
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2004-05-18 04:37:45 UTC
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[snip]
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being a poker aficionado, i was hoping the they would work in the famous
hand WB was holding when he was shot. the "dead mans hand". no such
luck. the way they showed it, no one even saw it to record the hand. bah.
[snip]
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Notice they did include it last night? The guy who got WB's bullet in
his wrist revealed the hand Bill was holding when he told his story to
Charlie. But the way they played that scene I wondered if people
thought this man was embellishing the story and making things up. That
maybe he never saw the hand at all. What was your impression?
not surprised at all. nobody was buying the story at all. at this point
it really doesn't matter. i mean really, if you see a guy get shot,
who'd looking at the $*&^%&^ cards.
Well, they mighta looked at his only cause he was infamous and had a
reputation for losing so badly at poker. But the way they played it in
Deadwood, it almost looked like the guy made WB's hand up.
In the Jack McCall trial episode, this guy tried to bribe the judge to
let him testify, citing his "possession" of the fatal bullet entitled
him to do. Obviously, he wants more than his measly 15 minutes, and is
is trying to insert himself into the historical Hickok murder tale.
Whether Hickok's "death hand" was actually documented, or invented
afterward for the sake of story has long been debated. IAC, the famous
dead man's hand has no provenance, and that is very likely the point the
writers are trying to make with Bullet Wrist. Cool, I reckon. :-)
Interestin'!
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[snip]
[Re Jane:]
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
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her scene at the graveyard with charlie was great. speaking of
shakespeare (in other posts), they were like a couple of fairies
there.
[snip cool shakespeare]
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That was by far one of the best scenes to date. The way they -try- to
be friends is just so funny.
They're pretending *not* to try.
Yeah, that's it!
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But they really do like each other
quite a lot. Recall Charlie's complaint to Bill in the first ep that
Jane liked Bill better, and that he (Charlie) always seemed to be on her
bad side no matter what he said or did. Jane has warmed to Charlie
lately (in her unique way of warming), because now Bill's dead, Charlie
is her only connection to him.
And she is a connection for him as well. (That was so cute how he kept
asking everyone if he looked okay in his frock.)
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[snip]
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i don't know that EB is any more a scumbag than al. i do think trixie
is a lot less of one than either of those two, though she is working her
own angles. i guess that means she's bound to end up as pig food.
No way! Not the Trickster! Her 'angles' are usually to help someone
else or to keep from getting killed. But we (my gf and I) were talking
Might you talk on board, too, please? An additional bod makes for more
Deadwood discussion. :-)
(We discuss something right after we watch it for a few minutes, and
it's too late to get online then [Sunday eve's, 11pm!].)
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Post by Calamity Coyote ()
saying even though we'd like Tricksie to get free of Al, we don't,
because the two of them create something more interesting than Al
alone.
Or Trixie alone. How boring would she be (will she be?) hooked up with
Sol? Trixie and Al add depth each other. Excellent characters, both.
Yet they're setting up the romantic angles -- the couples that can never
get together... and shouldn't because all the tension would be lost....
but they hope fans will be taken into rooting for them. Seth and Alma
(talk about a boring couple!)... Alma's much more fun when she's flying
on opium. And Seth needs a good deposit in his hind quarters from Sol.
Tricksie and Sol. Charlie and Jane??? :-D
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(Sol's obviously interested in Trixie. I wonder if the point in that is
to have him "rescue" her from Al. From one man to another--hardly a
proper rescue, by today's standards, but a rescue, nevertheless.)
Imo it's just having the tension...
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Post by Calamity Coyote ()
She's like an inside player we can count on to be on our side no
matter what Al's up to.
But because she's a 19th century woman, she has the luxury of doing the
right thing only to the point it interferes with her survival. Beyond
that, she'll have to be strong enough to face the unknown consequences
of her actions. And as a 19th century whore, she'll have to be willing
to accept the possibility of having to pay the ultimate sacrifice not
for another's life, but for another's daily bread (so to speak--IOW,
general welfare).
Did you notice they put more makeup on her this past week?
Post by Tulgey Wood
And, unless there's something going on behind scenes, it seems a bit odd
that Trixie suddenly tries to top herself with an overdose.
I totally got that. She had a taste of a real life, living with Alma and
Sophia... being loved, respected and needed by both of them... then
discarded back to her old life. She can't leave Al, she'd be killed. She
might have had a chance if she went WITH Alma and had Alma's family's
protection. But she can't just take off with gold and make a life for
herself... Al would never allow it. She had to go back to him. And going
back to something after you've had a taste of getting away from it is
unbearable.
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IAC, she
recovers, and immediately she returns to submitting to Al. She carries
the assay sample to Al like a dog bringing kill to its alpha.
She had to. No choice.
Post by Tulgey Wood
To his credit, he's more interested in what she's done to herself than
what she brung him.
And what about the next day when he asks if there's going to be more
gold and she says no and he doesn't say anything. Like, "Well you better
find a way to get more!" He knows she had a chance to leave and didn't.
Then he tells her not to try to take her life again. And although he
tries to bark it out like an order, it comes out more like a plea. And
she gets it. He's in love with her. She never imagined it before that
point.
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Post by Calamity Coyote ()
And the tension of worrying about her works to heighten Al's villainy.
I'm willing to bet Al's villainy won't extend to killing Trixie (unless
he has E B or Dan do her)...in contrast to Cy's villainy, which might
cut Joanie's throat should she be the first to cross his path on a day
he gets up on the wrong side of the bed.
Agreed there!
Post by Tulgey Wood
(Ps. Sorry for all the Shakespeare quotin', above. The lines just
seemed sorta apt to the scene with Jane & Charlie in the graveyard, and
I just didn't know when to shaddup. I love Shakespeare, and try never
to miss an opportunity to bore people senseless with him.) :-D
LOL. It was very nice to read. I only snipped it b/c what can one add to
Shakespeare? :)
Tulgey Wood
2004-05-23 22:52:03 UTC
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But we (my gf and I) were talking
Might you talk on board, too, please? An additional bod makes for more
Deadwood discussion. :-)
(We discuss something right after we watch it for a few minutes, and
it's too late to get online then [Sunday eve's, 11pm!].)
Right. It's over at 10 in Austin...just when the night's getting
started. :-D
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Post by Calamity Coyote ()
saying even though we'd like Tricksie to get free of Al, we don't,
because the two of them create something more interesting than Al
alone.
Or Trixie alone. How boring would she be (will she be?) hooked up with
Sol? Trixie and Al add depth each other. Excellent characters, both.
Yet they're setting up the romantic angles -- the couples that can never
get together... and shouldn't because all the tension would be lost....
but they hope fans will be taken into rooting for them.
I expect if he continues to "court" Trixie, poor Sol will soon be
introduced to the business end of Al's goon squad.
Post by l***@large.com
Seth and Alma (talk about a boring couple!)...
I'll bet they're heading for it, though. Last Sunday we found out
Seth's marriage may have been an obligation to his brother and could be
a marriage in name only, with public motions gone through for the sake
of appearances. His kid is his nephew.
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Alma's much more fun when she's flying on opium.
LOL! So true.
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And Seth needs a good deposit in his hind quarters from Sol.
LOL! Also, so true.
Post by l***@large.com
Tricksie and Sol. Charlie and Jane??? :-D
Michael and Lisa Marie? Tom and Drew? Yes, we have seen stranger
pairings. :-D

[snip]

[Re Trixie:]
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Post by Calamity Coyote ()
She's like an inside player we can count on to be on our side no
matter what Al's up to.
But because she's a 19th century woman, she has the luxury of doing the
right thing only to the point it interferes with her survival. Beyond
that, she'll have to be strong enough to face the unknown consequences
of her actions. And as a 19th century whore, she'll have to be willing
to accept the possibility of having to pay the ultimate sacrifice not
for another's life, but for another's daily bread (so to speak--IOW,
general welfare).
Did you notice they put more makeup on her this past week?
I noticed she looked healthier than she had the previous week. That was
makeup? ;-D
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Post by Tulgey Wood
And, unless there's something going on behind scenes, it seems a bit odd
that Trixie suddenly tries to top herself with an overdose.
I totally got that. She had a taste of a real life, living with Alma and
Sophia... being loved, respected and needed by both of them... then
discarded back to her old life. She can't leave Al, she'd be killed.
Oh, no. Al wouldn't kill her. He'd might mess her up a bit, and he
would have the person she ran off with killed, or have whatever place or
thing she ran off to destroyed.
Post by l***@large.com
She might have had a chance if she went WITH Alma and had Alma's
family's protection. But she can't just take off with gold and make a
life for herself... Al would never allow it. She had to go back to
him. And going back to something after you've had a taste of getting
away from it is unbearable.
In that case, if she'd really wanted to go, she could have gone with
Alma and the LSG and left the gold behind to be collected by Alma's
agent or by her family. Mind you, Alma's comments about her father and
brother to Seth last week made them sound rather mercenary. Her father
practically sold her to the Idiot Garret in the first place. I doubt
she'd find comfort and protection with them. And she didn't paint too
rosy a picture of her in-laws, either.

[snip]
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Post by Tulgey Wood
To his credit, he's more interested in what she's done to herself
than what she brung him.
And what about the next day when he asks if there's going to be more
gold and she says no and he doesn't say anything. Like, "Well you better
find a way to get more!" He knows she had a chance to leave and didn't.
Then he tells her not to try to take her life again. And although he
tries to bark it out like an order, it comes out more like a plea. And
she gets it. He's in love with her. She never imagined it before that
point.
Yeah, he loves her...or at least, he has feelings for her. IAC, theirs
is a lot healthier relationship than Cy's and Joanie's. All of Cy's
relationships are toxic. He poisons everything. He's gotta go. Maybe
someone will do us a favor tonight.

[snip]
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Post by Tulgey Wood
(Ps. Sorry for all the Shakespeare quotin', above. The lines just
seemed sorta apt to the scene with Jane & Charlie in the graveyard, and
I just didn't know when to shaddup. I love Shakespeare, and try never
to miss an opportunity to bore people senseless with him.) :-D
LOL. It was very nice to read. I only snipped it b/c what can one add to
Shakespeare? :)
A huge raspberry usually works. :-D
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2004-05-30 02:34:27 UTC
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Or Trixie alone. How boring would she be (will she be?) hooked up with
Sol? Trixie and Al add depth each other. Excellent characters, both.
Yet they're setting up the romantic angles -- the couples that can never
get together... and shouldn't because all the tension would be lost....
but they hope fans will be taken into rooting for them.
I expect if he continues to "court" Trixie, poor Sol will soon be
introduced to the business end of Al's goon squad.
Looks like next ep (in 2 weeks) Seth blows it and tells Al Trixie is
with Sol.

[...]
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And, unless there's something going on behind scenes, it seems a bit odd
that Trixie suddenly tries to top herself with an overdose.
I totally got that. She had a taste of a real life, living with Alma and
Sophia... being loved, respected and needed by both of them... then
discarded back to her old life. She can't leave Al, she'd be killed.
Oh, no. Al wouldn't kill her. He'd might mess her up a bit, and he
would have the person she ran off with killed, or have whatever place or
thing she ran off to destroyed.
Probably true. Did you notice how he tried to counsel her at the
beginning of last week's ep? Telling her how he had to meet with the
magistrate and didn't want to and how life sometimes is tough and you
just have to do it. (Or in his words, "Sometimes life is just one vile
fucking task after another.") Then he told her not to try to do herself
in anymore. Al's version of Dr. Phil.
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Post by l***@large.com
She might have had a chance if she went WITH Alma and had Alma's
family's protection. But she can't just take off with gold and make a
life for herself... Al would never allow it. She had to go back to
him. And going back to something after you've had a taste of getting
away from it is unbearable.
In that case, if she'd really wanted to go, she could have gone with
Alma and the LSG
And she was going to... it's what brought her out of her doped stupor...
the hope she could go to NY with Alama as presented by Doc. But then
Seth talked Amla into staying!
Post by Tulgey Wood
and left the gold behind to be collected by Alma's
agent or by her family. Mind you, Alma's comments about her father and
brother to Seth last week made them sound rather mercenary. Her father
practically sold her to the Idiot Garret in the first place. I doubt
she'd find comfort and protection with them. And she didn't paint too
rosy a picture of her in-laws, either.
True. But what I meant to say was, Al would likely not interfere if she
was with Alma b/c even if Alma's family is not warm and cozy, they do
have a professional relationship with the Pinkertons.
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[snip]
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To his credit, he's more interested in what she's done to herself
than what she brung him.
And what about the next day when he asks if there's going to be more
gold and she says no and he doesn't say anything. Like, "Well you better
find a way to get more!" He knows she had a chance to leave and didn't.
Then he tells her not to try to take her life again. And although he
tries to bark it out like an order, it comes out more like a plea. And
she gets it. He's in love with her. She never imagined it before that
point.
Yeah, he loves her...or at least, he has feelings for her. IAC, theirs
is a lot healthier relationship than Cy's and Joanie's. All of Cy's
relationships are toxic. He poisons everything. He's gotta go. Maybe
someone will do us a favor tonight.
Not last week. But he wasn't in it much either.

I gotta say this was my least favorite episode. In fact I didn't really
care for it. I didn't understand why they did a lot of what they did...
it seemed like filler. That entire scene in the diner to make the point
the town was getting busier and busier... the walk afterwards with
Merrick.. the way they drug out the opium hit... the magistrate's
messenger... I was at a loss during a lot of it wondering why they were
lingering on stuff so long that didn't really seem to matter, or could
have been portrayed in shorter scenes. Then again I started off in a
funk after watching Adrianna in Sopranos earlier (I won't say what
happened in case you missed it, but boy was I bummed out), then QAF was
depressing too. So by the time Deadwood started I was hoping for some
cheering up... but no Jane and not a lot of fun scenes this week. It
felt disjointed. Maybe it was me. I'll see how it is when I watch it
again next week. (Won't get a chance b/f then and next week it won't be
on anyway.)

So.

TrixieWolf and I went to Palm Springs this past week after seeing
Madonna on Tues eve. (She was great!) We revisited L-Word by singing
Indigo Girls songs all the way down highway 111. NOT. But while we were
there we did get tickets to see them on July 14th. (Lesbian News is good
for something.) :)

Calamity Coyote

C
l***@large.com
2004-05-30 02:41:35 UTC
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TrixieWolf and I went to Palm Springs this past week after seeing
Madonna on Tues eve.[...]
I've just been corrected. It was Monday we saw her. Tues we left for
P.S.

I can never keep the days straight.

(No jokes, please.) :)

Calamity Coyote
Tulgey Wood
2004-05-31 04:13:51 UTC
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Post by Tulgey Wood
I expect if he continues to "court" Trixie, poor Sol will soon be
introduced to the business end of Al's goon squad.
Looks like next ep (in 2 weeks)
Yeah, I turned on TV tonight, and no Deadwood. I cried. <sniffle
sniffle>
Post by l***@large.com
Seth blows it and tells Al Trixie is with Sol.
Uh-oh.

[snip]

[Re Al & Trixie:]
Post by l***@large.com
Did you notice how he tried to counsel her at the beginning of last
week's ep? Telling her how he had to meet with the magistrate and
didn't want to and how life sometimes is tough and you just have to
do it. (Or in his words, "Sometimes life is just one vile fucking
task after another.")
I had the idea he was just shaking his fist at the universe and did it
in Trixie's presence so it wouldn't seem he was one of those nutters who
talked to himself.
Post by l***@large.com
Then he told her not to try to do herself in anymore. Al's version of
Dr. Phil.
LOL!!
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Post by l***@large.com
She might have had a chance if she went WITH Alma and had Alma's
family's protection. But she can't just take off with gold and make a
life for herself... Al would never allow it. She had to go back to
him. And going back to something after you've had a taste of getting
away from it is unbearable.
In that case, if she'd really wanted to go, she could have gone with
Alma and the LSG
And she was going to... it's what brought her out of her doped stupor...
the hope she could go to NY with Alama as presented by Doc. But then
Seth talked Amla into staying!
Poor Trixie! I really do hope she gets a break from someone.
Post by l***@large.com
Post by Tulgey Wood
and left the gold behind to be collected by Alma's agent or by her
family. Mind you, Alma's comments about her father and brother to
Seth last week made them sound rather mercenary. Her father
practically sold her to the Idiot Garret in the first place. I
doubt she'd find comfort and protection with them. And she didn't
paint too rosy a picture of her in-laws, either.
True. But what I meant to say was, Al would likely not interfere if she
was with Alma b/c even if Alma's family is not warm and cozy, they do
have a professional relationship with the Pinkertons.
Aha! So true. I'd forgotten the Pinkertons.

[snip]

[Re Al & Trixie:]
Post by l***@large.com
Post by Tulgey Wood
Yeah, he loves her...or at least, he has feelings for her. IAC, theirs
is a lot healthier relationship than Cy's and Joanie's. All of Cy's
relationships are toxic. He poisons everything. He's gotta go. Maybe
someone will do us a favor tonight.
Not last week. But he wasn't in it much either.
I gotta say this was my least favorite episode. In fact I didn't really
care for it. I didn't understand why they did a lot of what they did...
it seemed like filler. That entire scene in the diner to make the point
the town was getting busier and busier... the walk afterwards with
Merrick.. the way they drug out the opium hit... the magistrate's
messenger... I was at a loss during a lot of it wondering why they were
lingering on stuff so long that didn't really seem to matter, or could
have been portrayed in shorter scenes. Then again I started off in a
funk after watching Adrianna in Sopranos earlier (I won't say what
happened in case you missed it, but boy was I bummed out),
'S okay, I've never seen Sopranos. =0
Post by l***@large.com
then QAF was depressing too. So by the time Deadwood started I was
hoping for some cheering up... but no Jane and not a lot of fun
scenes this week. It felt disjointed. Maybe it was me.
It may be you and you may be in a sort of telly funk, but last week's
Deadwood ep was definitely more depressing than usual. But I don't know
if I'd characterize it as mostly filler. Before we argue that point,
however, I'd like to watch it again. Thinking of you, I did wince a bit
much in the scenes set at Wu's abattoir. Lots of attention to detail,
such as when Wu and Al went inside to discuss what to do about the White
Cocksuckers, bloody hand prints were evident on the inside of the door,
apparently where the butchers pushed to open. But there were also some
moments of hilarity. I LOL at Wu and Al drawing pictures and talking
about the White Cocksuckers. Al says to Wu, I'm glad I taught you the
meaning of that phrase, or something such. And there were a lot of
complicated politics going on between Al and Cy and Al and Wu and Al and
the magistrate and Al and the magistrate's messenger. And Al was on a
mad caffeinated tear, running all over town on his little pins trying to
orchestrate everything. (He got some bad caffeine at Cy's and patooied
it into the street. It was something Joanie was drinking. Huh. What
up with dat?) It was one of those eps that if you didn't pay attention
and lost a few lines of dialog, you wouldn't have a clue what was
happening.
Post by l***@large.com
I'll see how it is when I watch it again next week. (Won't get a
chance b/f then and next week it won't be on anyway.)
I'll rewatch last week's ep, so if you're in the mood to hash it out,
jump in any time. :-)
Post by l***@large.com
So.
Yeah.
Post by l***@large.com
TrixieWolf and I went to Palm Springs this past week after seeing
Madonna on Tues eve. (She was great!) We revisited L-Word by singing
Indigo Girls songs all the way down highway 111. NOT.
LOL!!
Post by l***@large.com
But while we were there we did get tickets to see them on July 14th.
Fun!
Post by l***@large.com
(Lesbian News is good for something.) :)
Always. :-)

BTW, I have a new e-mail address and will send it to you in the next day
or two. Check yer mail.
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2004-05-31 18:35:14 UTC
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[snip]
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I expect if he continues to "court" Trixie, poor Sol will soon be
introduced to the business end of Al's goon squad.
Looks like next ep (in 2 weeks)
Yeah, I turned on TV tonight, and no Deadwood. I cried. <sniffle
sniffle>
We remembered from last week. (At least QAF was on. Though Debbie
recreating Xmas instead of just having a big ole party seemed very
stupid, even for her character. They're really ruining her imo.)
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Post by l***@large.com
Seth blows it and tells Al Trixie is with Sol.
Uh-oh.
[snip]
[Re Al & Trixie:]
Post by l***@large.com
Did you notice how he tried to counsel her at the beginning of last
week's ep? Telling her how he had to meet with the magistrate and
didn't want to and how life sometimes is tough and you just have to
do it. (Or in his words, "Sometimes life is just one vile fucking
task after another.")
I had the idea he was just shaking his fist at the universe and did it
in Trixie's presence so it wouldn't seem he was one of those nutters who
talked to himself.
I got a different impression. If you notice, as the ep starts he's in
bed holding the gold nugget, kind of bouncing the weight of it looking
sideways at her sleeping... putting it all together... that the widow
offered her gold to leave... that she must have been tempted... but
that she brought the gold back to him. He realizes his hold on her is
becoming tenuous... that the town is changing and new people will
enter their lives and he may not be able to control her by force and
fear like he always has. ("Things are changing, that's all. Nothing to
be afraid of.") That maybe he needs to soften up a bit towards her...
appeal to her. Help her out some. So he tries to tell her life is
tough for everyone -- even him. But you do what you gotta do. (Like
she did in coming back to him.) Then he tells her not to do herself in
again. That's his way of saying, "I love you." and she gets it, and
smiles a smile that's part surprise, and part "I have power over on
him -- the bastard cares." I don't know... I thought it was a very
telling scene.
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Then he told her not to try to do herself in anymore. Al's version of
Dr. Phil.
LOL!!
He *was* playing psychological counselor, as best Al can. ;)

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I gotta say this was my least favorite episode. In fact I didn't really
care for it. I didn't understand why they did a lot of what they did...
it seemed like filler. That entire scene in the diner to make the point
the town was getting busier and busier... the walk afterwards with
Merrick.. the way they drug out the opium hit... the magistrate's
messenger... I was at a loss during a lot of it wondering why they were
lingering on stuff so long that didn't really seem to matter, or could
have been portrayed in shorter scenes. Then again I started off in a
funk after watching Adrianna in Sopranos earlier (I won't say what
happened in case you missed it, but boy was I bummed out),
'S okay, I've never seen Sopranos. =0
(They killed her! And she's been in it from the start of the series!
Boo-hoo! I loved Adrianna!)
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then QAF was depressing too. So by the time Deadwood started I was
hoping for some cheering up... but no Jane and not a lot of fun
scenes this week. It felt disjointed. Maybe it was me.
It may be you and you may be in a sort of telly funk, but last week's
Deadwood ep was definitely more depressing than usual. But I don't know
if I'd characterize it as mostly filler. Before we argue that point,
however, I'd like to watch it again. Thinking of you, I did wince a bit
much in the scenes set at Wu's abattoir. Lots of attention to detail,
such as when Wu and Al went inside to discuss what to do about the White
Cocksuckers, bloody hand prints were evident on the inside of the door,
apparently where the butchers pushed to open.
And I was thinking of your advice, "LATEX MODELS, LATEX MODELS..."
:)
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But there were also some
moments of hilarity. I LOL at Wu and Al drawing pictures and talking
about the White Cocksuckers. Al says to Wu, I'm glad I taught you the
meaning of that phrase, or something such.
"I'm glad I taught you *that* fucking word!" LOL. Yeah that was
hysterical.
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And there were a lot of
complicated politics going on between Al and Cy and Al and Wu and Al and
the magistrate and Al and the magistrate's messenger. And Al was on a
mad caffeinated tear, running all over town on his little pins trying to
orchestrate everything.
Yeah he was great running all over town. (He moves like the Penguin in
Batman. So funny.) And when he asked Dan if the Preacher's been there
(by the piano) long, and Dan said, 'awhile, but he's not preachin' God
to anyone,' and Al says, "So there's thaaat..." <LOL!>
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(He got some bad caffeine at Cy's and patooied
it into the street. It was something Joanie was drinking. Huh. What
up with dat?)
I guess whoever makes Cy's coffee is bad at it, and Joanie's just used
to it -- like everything else that's bad about Cy. While even though
Al is a bastard and a crook, he likes stuff to be done right (whether
it's cleaning up a blood stain or sweeping the stairs). He probably
insists on great coffee in his joint. He feels he has so few
pleasures. :) And Cy is so full of poison, he wouldn't notice good
from bad -- and wouldn't give a rat's ass about it anyway.
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It was one of those eps that if you didn't pay attention
and lost a few lines of dialog, you wouldn't have a clue what was
happening.
That's what happened my first time through. The second time I was able
to rewind and figure out some lines I couldn't catch the first time,
and got that Al killed the junkie in front of the Messenger to show
the magistrate who's boss... that enough is enough and he won't be
milked dry when he already paid a substantial bribe. I got the gist of
that the first time (why else would you kill someone in front of
someone else, after all) but I'd missed the details of how we got
there or exactly what the letter said that the Messenger brought Al,
etc.

What a worm Leon is... I wish Al coulda killed him instead of his own
junkie.
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I'll see how it is when I watch it again next week. (Won't get a
chance b/f then and next week it won't be on anyway.)
I'll rewatch last week's ep, so if you're in the mood to hash it out,
jump in any time. :-)
So... what'd ya think the second time through?
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BTW, I have a new e-mail address and will send it to you in the next day
or two. Check yer mail.
Okie doke.

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2004-05-02 21:54:22 UTC
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Post by aaron
jane is just annoying the hell out of me. drunk jane, crying jane,
yelling jane. how about fed to the pigs jane, please!
and while their at it, feed the preacher to the pigs also.
I love Jane! She cracks me up. Especially when she came back from the
river with water and yelled to Andy, "ARE YEW DEEAD?" LOL!!
LOL!! I love Jane, too. She totally cracks me up. Robin Weigert is a
theater actor, mostly, I think, and her delivery seems to involve quite
a lot of diaphragm. :-D
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Post by aaron
overall, love the show. the characters are great, and deeply intertwined.
It's a great one! And last week's ep was superb!! I can't wait to post
about it but I ran outa time.
:-(
Post by l***@large.com
Suffice it to say I suspect Cy is going to turn out to be so bad we
will actually find ourselves rooting for Al at some junctures. Can't
wait!
Turn out to be?! Cy's practically sprouted horns a a pair of cloven
hooves, already. Al's a demon, but he does seem to have a sort of soul.
Can't say the same for Cy. (OTOH, maybe I can like Al because I like
McShane. Powers Boothe is not a favorite, but he's a good actor.)
Calamity Coyote ()
2004-05-04 00:19:20 UTC
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Post by aaron
jane is just annoying the hell out of me. drunk jane, crying jane,
yelling jane. how about fed to the pigs jane, please!
and while their at it, feed the preacher to the pigs also.
I love Jane! She cracks me up. Especially when she came back from the
river with water and yelled to Andy, "ARE YEW DEEAD?" LOL!!
LOL!! I love Jane, too. She totally cracks me up. Robin Weigert is a
theater actor, mostly, I think, and her delivery seems to involve quite
a lot of diaphragm. :-D
That explains it! Now I'm two eps behind in comments, dammit. A week
ago Sunday was so great... then yesterday's ep was great too.
Especially the scene with Jane and Charlie at Wild Bill's grave.
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Post by l***@large.com
Post by aaron
overall, love the show. the characters are great, and deeply intertwined.
It's a great one! And last week's ep was superb!! I can't wait to post
about it but I ran outa time.
:-(
Wipe that sad smile off your keyboard until you find the time to post
yourself! Then you can start muggin' at me!
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Post by l***@large.com
Suffice it to say I suspect Cy is going to turn out to be so bad we
will actually find ourselves rooting for Al at some junctures. Can't
wait!
Turn out to be?! Cy's practically sprouted horns a a pair of cloven
hooves, already.
LOL! Throwing Andy out to die was especially cruel since Cy considered
him a longstanding friend. I don't even think Al woulda done that,
though he woulda sent Trixie or "the Gimp" to care for his sick pal
then told them to get checked out by the Doc before returning... and
if they all died in the process. Oh well. "At least he fucking tried."

But it was so cool the way they had Al take control of the town last
week to organize getting ready for the epidemic. And telling Johnny to
get "some fucking fruit" was hysterical. That was Al's way of showing
class. Ha! Then he had the whole thing worked out about sending
horsemen rather than carriages, and how many and how much pay, etc.
There were so many funny lines in that ep. Telling Merrick how to
write the article to put the town at ease: "Tell 'em vaccine's already
on the way back. That it's the mild fucking type or some shit." He was
so good at it all even though he goes about it in this crude offensive
way, that I just have to laugh b/c I enjoy his character so much. Then
when the Rev. had an epileptic attack Al stopped Johnny from putting a
metal spoon between the Rev's teeth (Al showing compassion!),
("That'll break every tooth in his fucking mouth!") and revealed his
brother used to have fits (ah-ha!) and he made pennnies by dragging
him into the street so people could watch. (D'oh! SO Al!) But the best
line of all? When the Rev finally comes out of it and Al's stooping
down by his feet, and the entire body of the meeting's gathered around
and Al says real deadpan, "Hey Reverand. Ya coulda just said, 'Amen'."

ROTF!!

I want that as a poster. That shot was perfect. Hell, make a silk
screen and put it on a tee shirt. Move over Ally McBeal ("Bygones.").
Deadwoodisms are coming to town.
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Al's a demon, but he does seem to have a sort of soul.
Yup. And I love the sneeky way they reveal it, always wrapping it in
something a little offensive so it stays consistent with his nature.

Like even when Delores (the whore) was crying b/c her Mother died of
pox and she'd been with the trick that was ill. Al was actually moved
by her story. His words of encouragement were downright kind. "Well,
listening to that sad story makes me believe you ain't a candidate
cause you been exposed and it didn't take." (paraph.) She looks up all
hopeful and her tears stop and he can't quite take the emotion. He
goes back to being Al shoving the toothpick back in his mouth. "Stick
to hand jobs for a coupla days if you want." And he walks out. Al's
version of being kind. Ya gotta love it. :-D
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Can't say the same for Cy. (OTOH, maybe I can like Al because I like
McShane. Powers Boothe is not a favorite, but he's a good actor.)
So far Cy has not done one nice thing for anyone that didn't have some
payoff for him. Even the kindness he shows Joanie is b/c he wants her.

Btw, is she some fucking beauty or what? And what about that scene a
few ep's ago where she kisses the whore to piss him off? She's a
firecracker.

Now this new little Missy and her brother are a puzzle. Is they
flim-flam? Methinks they are a con team, no? But ole Dan now has a
soft spot. And as Wolf pointed out, he also had a soft spot for the
blonde squarehead girl. Seems Dan takes a shine to young innocent
goils. My my. I wonder how little Missy will use that?

Calamity Coyote
Tulgey Wood
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I love Jane! She cracks me up. Especially when she came back from
the river with water and yelled to Andy, "ARE YEW DEEAD?" LOL!!
LOL!! I love Jane, too. She totally cracks me up. Robin Weigert is
a theater actor, mostly, I think, and her delivery seems to involve
quite a lot of diaphragm. :-D
That explains it! Now I'm two eps behind in comments, dammit. A week
ago Sunday was so great... then yesterday's ep was great too.
Especially the scene with Jane and Charlie at Wild Bill's grave.
Yeah, that was a good scene. Poignant and funny.
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Post by Tulgey Wood
Post by l***@large.com
last week's ep was superb!! I can't wait to post about it but I ran
outa time.
:-(
Wipe that sad smile off your keyboard until you find the time to post
yourself! Then you can start muggin' at me!
:-| :-) :-D :-P
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Post by Tulgey Wood
Post by l***@large.com
Suffice it to say I suspect Cy is going to turn out to be so bad we
will actually find ourselves rooting for Al at some junctures. Can't
wait!
Turn out to be?! Cy's practically sprouted horns a a pair of cloven
hooves, already.
LOL! Throwing Andy out to die was especially cruel since Cy considered
him a longstanding friend. I don't even think Al woulda done that,
The main difference between Al and Cy is that Al's evil doings never go
beyond serving as an expedient--he has a code that is sort of aligned
with what passes for law in Deadwood. Cy doesn't. A couple of episodes
back, there was a conversation between Al and Cy that contrasts their
characters perfectly. They were discussing their clientele. Al says,
"Sometimes I just wish we could hit 'em over the head, rob 'em, and
throw their bodies in the creek." Cy shoots Al a reptilian look and
says, "But that would be wrong." I half expected a forked tongue to
flick out after that comment.
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
though he woulda sent Trixie or "the Gimp" to care for his sick pal
then told them to get checked out by the Doc before returning... and
if they all died in the process. Oh well. "At least he fucking tried."
LOL!! At least he fucking tried, but it would have been a fucking shame
in any fucking case. :-D
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
But it was so cool the way they had Al take control of the town last
week to organize getting ready for the epidemic. And telling Johnny to
get "some fucking fruit" was hysterical. That was Al's way of showing
class. Ha!
ROTFL!! That was hilarious! Get some fucking fruit and the like, he
says. The surprise was that Andy managed to scare up tinned. I didn't
think he'd find any, but thought if he did, he would end up robbing
someone's precious store of fresh. I can't imagine anyone in Deadwood
having a diet that consists of much more than jerky, hardtack, and
beans. Anyone riding into to town with a wagonload of laxatives to flog
would make a killing.
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Then he had the whole thing worked out about sending horsemen rather
than carriages, and how many and how much pay, etc. There were so
many funny lines in that ep. Telling Merrick how to write the article
to put the town at ease: "Tell 'em vaccine's already on the way back.
That it's the mild fucking type or some shit." He was so good at it
all even though he goes about it in this crude offensive way, that I
just have to laugh b/c I enjoy his character so much.
The series is young and already Al Swearengen is one of my favorite TV
characters of all time. And Al Swearengen with E B Farnum as a toady is
just priceless.
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Then when the Rev. had an epileptic attack Al stopped Johnny from
putting a metal spoon between the Rev's teeth (Al showing
compassion!), ("That'll break every tooth in his fucking mouth!") and
revealed his brother used to have fits (ah-ha!) and he made pennnies
by dragging him into the street so people could watch. (D'oh! SO Al!)
But the best line of all? When the Rev finally comes out of it and
Al's stooping down by his feet, and the entire body of the meeting's
gathered around and Al says real deadpan, "Hey Reverand. Ya coulda
just said, 'Amen'."
ROTF!!
ROTFL!!
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
I want that as a poster. That shot was perfect. Hell, make a silk
screen and put it on a tee shirt. Move over Ally McBeal ("Bygones.").
Deadwoodisms are coming to town.
I think I'm going to have to buy the DVD set.
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Post by Tulgey Wood
Al's a demon, but he does seem to have a sort of soul.
Yup. And I love the sneeky way they reveal it, always wrapping it in
something a little offensive so it stays consistent with his nature.
Like even when Delores (the whore) was crying b/c her Mother died of
pox and she'd been with the trick that was ill. Al was actually moved
by her story. His words of encouragement were downright kind. "Well,
listening to that sad story makes me believe you ain't a candidate
cause you been exposed and it didn't take." (paraph.) She looks up all
hopeful and her tears stop and he can't quite take the emotion. He
goes back to being Al shoving the toothpick back in his mouth. "Stick
to hand jobs for a coupla days if you want." And he walks out. Al's
version of being kind. Ya gotta love it. :-D
I do love it. Just like real people, Al's all shades of grey between
black and white.
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Post by Tulgey Wood
Can't say the same for Cy. (OTOH, maybe I can like Al because I like
McShane. Powers Boothe is not a favorite, but he's a good actor.)
So far Cy has not done one nice thing for anyone that didn't have some
payoff for him. Even the kindness he shows Joanie is b/c he wants her.
Almost without exception, all Deadwood characters are motivated by
survival. The environment is harsh, and people behave harshly to
counter it. Most of them understand that some degree of cooperation
with others is required. Cy is the exception. Al's nature is
cooperative, even if grudgingly. Cy's a natural exploiter and doesn't
understand the benefits of cooperation. If ever Cy seems to cooperate,
he's fronting. His character is utterly lacking in humanity.
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Btw, is she some fucking beauty or what? And what about that scene a
few ep's ago where she kisses the whore to piss him off? She's a
firecracker.
She's treading on very thin ice, provoking that reptilian sonofabitch.
Whatcha wanna bet before too long she's found bludgeoned to death with a
table leg (or the like)?
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Now this new little Missy and her brother are a puzzle. Is they
flim-flam? Methinks they are a con team, no?
Yes. I wonder how proficient they are at it. They may not be what they
appear, but appearances ain't everything. If they try it on Al and
fail....
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
But ole Dan now has a soft spot.
I'd say ol' Dan's spot is anything but soft.
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
And as Wolf pointed out, he also had a soft spot for the blonde
squarehead girl.
He's unable to kill a child. Speaks well for his character, such as it
is.
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Seems Dan takes a shine to young innocent goils.
Will be interesting to see how gullible ol' Dan turns out to be.
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My my. I wonder how little Missy will use that?
The usual way...unless Dan twigs to her first.
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2004-05-11 21:17:50 UTC
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The main difference between Al and Cy is that Al's evil doings never go
beyond serving as an expedient--he has a code that is sort of aligned
with what passes for law in Deadwood. Cy doesn't.
Excellent point.
Post by Tulgey Wood
A couple of episodes
back, there was a conversation between Al and Cy that contrasts their
characters perfectly. They were discussing their clientele. Al says,
"Sometimes I just wish we could hit 'em over the head, rob 'em, and
throw their bodies in the creek." Cy shoots Al a reptilian look and
says, "But that would be wrong." I half expected a forked tongue to
flick out after that comment.
Ha! Yeah! So right! That was a great line.
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Post by Calamity Coyote ()
though he woulda sent Trixie or "the Gimp" to care for his sick pal
then told them to get checked out by the Doc before returning... and
if they all died in the process. Oh well. "At least he fucking tried."
LOL!! At least he fucking tried, but it would have been a fucking shame
in any fucking case. :-D
Cocksucker musta been weak t'begin with! ::downs shot of whiskey::
(Al's vers of "all's well that ends well"... if Al's okay, all's
well!)
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Post by Calamity Coyote ()
But it was so cool the way they had Al take control of the town last
week to organize getting ready for the epidemic. And telling Johnny to
get "some fucking fruit" was hysterical. That was Al's way of showing
class. Ha!
ROTFL!! That was hilarious! Get some fucking fruit and the like, he
says. The surprise was that Andy managed to scare up tinned. I didn't
think he'd find any, but thought if he did, he would end up robbing
someone's precious store of fresh. I can't imagine anyone in Deadwood
having a diet that consists of much more than jerky, hardtack, and
beans. Anyone riding into to town with a wagonload of laxatives to flog
would make a killing.
They didn't have tinned fruit then? Wait a second... I saw a
documentary on how canned stuff came about a few years back. The army
needed food to last and so the process of canning food was created.
But I don't remember which war! Ha!

[...]
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The series is young and already Al Swearengen is one of my favorite TV
characters of all time.
Ain't he just? That's what I said in one of my first posts -- that I
haven't had so much fun hating a villain since Alexis graced Dynasty
20 years ago!
Post by Tulgey Wood
And Al Swearengen with E B Farnum as a toady is
just priceless.
I wonder how long EB will last. And I also wonder why Al tolerates him
as much as he does. Let's him get away with so much.

[...]
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I think I'm going to have to buy the DVD set.
Yes, this is definitely a series that will be fun to revisit seasons
after they've long passed... to go back to the very beginning.


[...]
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Post by Calamity Coyote ()
So far Cy has not done one nice thing for anyone that didn't have some
payoff for him. Even the kindness he shows Joanie is b/c he wants her.
Almost without exception, all Deadwood characters are motivated by
survival. The environment is harsh, and people behave harshly to
counter it. Most of them understand that some degree of cooperation
with others is required. Cy is the exception. Al's nature is
cooperative, even if grudgingly. Cy's a natural exploiter and doesn't
understand the benefits of cooperation. If ever Cy seems to cooperate,
he's fronting. His character is utterly lacking in humanity.
Totally great points!
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Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Btw, is she some fucking beauty or what? And what about that scene a
few ep's ago where she kisses the whore to piss him off? She's a
firecracker.
She's treading on very thin ice, provoking that reptilian sonofabitch.
Whatcha wanna bet before too long she's found bludgeoned to death with a
table leg (or the like)?
No way! I think she's here to stay. I was thinking she might kill Cy
and take over his joint. She and Eddie are more aligned than Cy and
Eddie. They are positioning her to make a move on him, and he won't
let go of her. I hope they give her a female lover when Cy's gone.
Flora called her a dyke, but I didn't really take the comment
seriously. Maybe Joanie and Alma will run the Bell Union together.
<lol> Joanie and Tricksie are better suited but I believe Tricksie
will be staying with Al just b/c that works so well story-wise.
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Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Now this new little Missy and her brother are a puzzle. Is they
flim-flam? Methinks they are a con team, no?
Yes. I wonder how proficient they are at it. They may not be what they
appear, but appearances ain't everything. If they try it on Al and
fail....
DEAD. And good riddance, the little bitch. Wolf pointed out the
actress who played Flora payed "little Hope" on XWP. I knew there was
a reason I hated her on sight. :)
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But ole Dan now has a soft spot.
I'd say ol' Dan's spot is anything but soft.
He got wanked!
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Post by Calamity Coyote ()
And as Wolf pointed out, he also had a soft spot for the blonde
squarehead girl.
He's unable to kill a child. Speaks well for his character, such as it
is.
I don't know... the way he caressed Flora's hand when she showed him
the picture. I'm not sure his intentions towards little girls are
honorable. But you're right that at least he doesn't want to kill
them.
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though he woulda sent Trixie or "the Gimp" to care for his sick pal
then told them to get checked out by the Doc before returning... and
if they all died in the process. Oh well. "At least he fucking tried."
LOL!! At least he fucking tried, but it would have been a fucking shame
in any fucking case. :-D
(Al's vers of "all's well that ends well"... if Al's okay, all's
well!)
LOL!! Well, he *is* the fucking center of the universe, after all! :-D
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But it was so cool the way they had Al take control of the town last
week to organize getting ready for the epidemic. And telling Johnny to
get "some fucking fruit" was hysterical. That was Al's way of showing
class. Ha!
ROTFL!! That was hilarious! Get some fucking fruit and the like, he
says. The surprise was that Andy managed to scare up tinned. I didn't
think he'd find any, but thought if he did, he would end up robbing
someone's precious store of fresh. I can't imagine anyone in Deadwood
having a diet that consists of much more than jerky, hardtack, and
beans. Anyone riding into to town with a wagonload of laxatives to flog
would make a killing.
They didn't have tinned fruit then? Wait a second... I saw a
documentary on how canned stuff came about a few years back. The army
needed food to last and so the process of canning food was created.
But I don't remember which war! Ha!
I did a google. In 1810, a Brit called Peter Durand was the first to
have the idea of storing food in cans. IAC, I wasn't surprised to see
tinned food, only that the fruit Johnny came up with was tinned rather
than dried or fresh. Now I think about it, tinned actually makes more
sense...what *could* I have been thinking?! =O
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Post by Tulgey Wood
The series is young and already Al Swearengen is one of my favorite TV
characters of all time.
Ain't he just? That's what I said in one of my first posts -- that I
haven't had so much fun hating a villain since Alexis graced Dynasty
20 years ago!
Post by Tulgey Wood
And Al Swearengen with E B Farnum as a toady is
just priceless.
I wonder how long EB will last. And I also wonder why Al tolerates him
as much as he does. Let's him get away with so much.
He's useful. He does things Al wants doing but hasn't the tastes for.
You can bet the minute E B becomes more trouble than he's worth is the
minute Al has Dan kill him.

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Btw, is she some fucking beauty or what? And what about that scene a
few ep's ago where she kisses the whore to piss him off? She's a
firecracker.
She's treading on very thin ice, provoking that reptilian sonofabitch.
Whatcha wanna bet before too long she's found bludgeoned to death with a
table leg (or the like)?
No way! I think she's here to stay.
I hope so, but there are so many characters in this show that I wonder
which the writers might consider expendable. Plus, there's the history
thing, although I doubt it applies to Joanie. She's probably a fiction.
Post by Calamity Coyote ()
I was thinking she might kill Cy and take over his joint.
Good idea. Especially the bit about killing Cy....
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She and Eddie are more aligned than Cy and Eddie. They are positioning
her to make a move on him, and he won't let go of her.
He disses Eddie, too. Maybe Joanie and Eddie will cook up a Cy-killin'
scheme. If she takes over Cy's business, she'll have to be willing and
capable of butting heads with Al. That would be a fun thing, a
Joanie/Al rivalry.
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I hope they give her a female lover when Cy's gone. Flora called her a
dyke, but I didn't really take the comment seriously.
I dunno. Why have her kiss one of Cy's whores *and* have Flora think
she's a dyke unless they're going somewhere with it? That's a 2 + 2,
IMO.

OTOH, when Joanie confronts Flora as Flora is stealing her jewelry,
Flora suggests that she might remind Joanie of someone, "a baby, a
sister...you." She doesn't say "a lover," but on yet another hand,
after Joanie shoots Flora, she tries to turn the gun on herself (and is
stopped by Cy). What's up with that? Flora must have reminded Joanie
of someone, after all. Who? The plot thickens. We'll find out later,
I think.

Later, Cy tells Joanie he wants to set her up in her own business, but
she isn't having any. She tells him he has to let her go and mean it or
she will kill him. She doesn't want her own business if it means she'll
be indebted to Cy.
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Maybe Joanie and Alma will run the Bell Union together.
<lol> Joanie and Tricksie are better suited but I believe Tricksie
will be staying with Al just b/c that works so well story-wise.
Agreed.
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Now this new little Missy and her brother are a puzzle. Is they
flim-flam? Methinks they are a con team, no?
Yes. I wonder how proficient they are at it. They may not be what they
appear, but appearances ain't everything. If they try it on Al and
fail....
DEAD. And good riddance, the little bitch. Wolf pointed out the
actress who played Flora payed "little Hope" on XWP. I knew there was
a reason I hated her on sight. :)
Nah, you hated Flora strictly on her own merits. :-P Little Hope was
played by Amy Morrison: http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0607066/. Flora is
played by Kristen Bell: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0068338/.
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But ole Dan now has a soft spot.
I'd say ol' Dan's spot is anything but soft.
He got wanked!
LOL! Yeah, serves him right. He put it out to be. :-D
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And as Wolf pointed out, he also had a soft spot for the blonde
squarehead girl.
He's unable to kill a child. Speaks well for his character, such as it
is.
I don't know... the way he caressed Flora's hand when she showed him
the picture. I'm not sure his intentions towards little girls are
honorable. But you're right that at least he doesn't want to kill
them.
Flora was sexually mature. The LSG (little skwirehaid gal) isn't.
Dan's a killer, but not a pervert. I doubt he was unwilling to kill the
LSG because he fancied her. OTOH, if Al had ordered him to kill Flora,
he would have done...with regret, but he would have done.
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Re: Joanie
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I was thinking she might kill Cy and take over his joint.
Good idea. Especially the bit about killing Cy....
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She and Eddie are more aligned than Cy and Eddie. They are positioning
her to make a move on him, and he won't let go of her.
He disses Eddie, too. Maybe Joanie and Eddie will cook up a Cy-killin'
scheme. If she takes over Cy's business, she'll have to be willing and
capable of butting heads with Al. That would be a fun thing, a
Joanie/Al rivalry.
Yeah.. remember in the ep where Bell Union moved in and Al went there
and was cussin and said to Joanie "excuse my french" and she says real
collected, "Oh, I speak french." LOL. He got a little rise outa that.
:-D
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I hope they give her a female lover when Cy's gone. Flora called her a
dyke, but I didn't really take the comment seriously.
I dunno. Why have her kiss one of Cy's whores *and* have Flora think
she's a dyke unless they're going somewhere with it? That's a 2 + 2,
IMO.
True... maybe she's just sick of men by the end of the day, being a
whore and all... <G>.
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OTOH, when Joanie confronts Flora as Flora is stealing her jewelry,
Flora suggests that she might remind Joanie of someone, "a baby, a
sister...you." She doesn't say "a lover,"
...and I was waiting for that.
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but on yet another hand,
after Joanie shoots Flora, she tries to turn the gun on herself (and is
stopped by Cy). What's up with that? Flora must have reminded Joanie
of someone, after all. Who? The plot thickens. We'll find out later,
I think.
I think she did but I think Joanie went to turn the gun on herself
because she just can't live with Cy anymore. She was in a funk when they
arrived in Deadwood, telling Cy it doesn't feel like starting over
anymore, even though they're in a new town. (Remember when he was
telling her to snap out of it?) She's at a crossroads.

But I was surprised this week she took him up on his offer to buy her a
place, when last week she had the right idea that taking anything from
him is still being beholden to him. That didn't make a lot of sense.
Also doesn't make sense he'd let her start a brothel which would compete
with his business. I thought she was going to start some other kind of
business... a boutique or something. <G> Hallmark cards.
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Later, Cy tells Joanie he wants to set her up in her own business, but
she isn't having any. She tells him he has to let her go and mean it or
she will kill him. She doesn't want her own business if it means she'll
be indebted to Cy.
Yeah! See?! :)

[...]
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DEAD. And good riddance, the little bitch. Wolf pointed out the
actress who played Flora payed "little Hope" on XWP. I knew there was
a reason I hated her on sight. :)
Nah, you hated Flora strictly on her own merits. :-P Little Hope was
played by Amy Morrison: http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0607066/. Flora is
played by Kristen Bell: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0068338/.
"They're both evil little bitches" Wolf said. She also says hi. (She's
still busy learning how to cook, she says.) Okay... she's done talking.
Tulgey Wood
2004-05-23 22:54:35 UTC
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Re: Joanie
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I was thinking she might kill Cy and take over his joint.
Good idea. Especially the bit about killing Cy....
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She and Eddie are more aligned than Cy and Eddie. They are positioning
her to make a move on him, and he won't let go of her.
He disses Eddie, too. Maybe Joanie and Eddie will cook up a Cy-killin'
scheme. If she takes over Cy's business, she'll have to be willing and
capable of butting heads with Al. That would be a fun thing, a
Joanie/Al rivalry.
Yeah.. remember in the ep where Bell Union moved in and Al went there
and was cussin and said to Joanie "excuse my french" and she says real
collected, "Oh, I speak french." LOL. He got a little rise outa that.
:-D
LOL!! Yeah. So did I. :-D

Joanie. She hit it off well with Ellsworth, and with Charlie, as well.
She's a man's woman, I think. She can communicate on their level, and
she inspires trust. She would probably get on well with Al, too, in the
right circumstances (ie, as a friend or as a business rival, but only
with Cy out of the picture). I am soooo wanting to get rid of Cy.
(Plus, Powers Boothe is beginning to grate on me. He's looks as much
like one of those bloody televangelists as he does a 19th century pimp.)
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I hope they give her a female lover when Cy's gone. Flora called her a
dyke, but I didn't really take the comment seriously.
I dunno. Why have her kiss one of Cy's whores *and* have Flora think
she's a dyke unless they're going somewhere with it? That's a 2 + 2,
IMO.
True... maybe she's just sick of men by the end of the day, being a
whore and all... <G>.
That, too. :-D IAC, I'm getting a vibe (call me a h-i-p-p-i-e, but).
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OTOH, when Joanie confronts Flora as Flora is stealing her jewelry,
Flora suggests that she might remind Joanie of someone, "a baby, a
sister...you." She doesn't say "a lover,"
...and I was waiting for that.
Like the proverbial other shoe to drop. Yeah, so was I.
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but on yet another hand, after Joanie shoots Flora, she tries to turn
the gun on herself (and is stopped by Cy). What's up with that?
Flora must have reminded Joanie of someone, after all. Who? The
plot thickens. We'll find out later, I think.
I think she did but I think Joanie went to turn the gun on herself
because she just can't live with Cy anymore.
Why didn't she try to shoot herself before she shot Flora, then? Why
shoot Flora first?
Post by l***@large.com
She was in a funk when they arrived in Deadwood, telling Cy it doesn't
feel like starting over anymore, even though they're in a new town.
(Remember when he was telling her to snap out of it?) She's at a
crossroads.
No doubt she's sick of him. And if she's at a crossroads, it isn't just
Cy, but the rest of her life's baggage that's brought her there, as
well. Who *did* Flora remind Joanie of? Maybe we'll find out tonight.
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But I was surprised this week she took him up on his offer to buy her a
place, when last week she had the right idea that taking anything from
him is still being beholden to him. That didn't make a lot of sense.
No, it really doesn't. I think she knows he's not going to let her go.
Maybe she's just pushing the envelope. If it doesn't work out, she'll
try to top herself again. She shouldn't have any trouble getting her
hands on a gun in that place.
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Also doesn't make sense he'd let her start a brothel which would compete
with his business.
Nah, he has no intention of letting her go. She had a premonition of
that when she espied little Flora's clothing in the piggery.
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I thought she was going to start some other kind of business... a
boutique or something. <G> Hallmark cards.
LOL!! A little flower cart on the street corner.

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Wolf pointed out the actress who played Flora payed "little Hope" on
XWP. I knew there was a reason I hated her on sight. :)
Nah, you hated Flora strictly on her own merits. :-P Little Hope was
played by Amy Morrison: http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0607066/. Flora is
played by Kristen Bell: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0068338/.
"They're both evil little bitches" Wolf said. She also says hi.
LOL!! Love the segue. ;-D Tell Wolf hi. :-)
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(She's still busy learning how to cook, she says.)
We won't hear from her until TLW's second season starts, then? ;-P
(Coinky-dinkily, an Indigo Girls song just now started playing on the
Winamp--Hand Me Downs, from Nomads Indians Saints.)
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