Women of 'Deadwood' Demand Equal Time

[Adrav]

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Women of 'Deadwood' Demand Equal Time
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June 8, 2004
By John Crook

When HBO's "Deadwood," which wraps its first season Sunday, June 13,
premiered in March, it was probably inevitable that the male characters --
which included a hard-drinking Wild Bill Hickok (Keith Carradine) and a
satanic town boss named Al Swearengen (Ian McShane) -- held center stage
with their unpredictable eruptions of violence and their
good-grief-did-he-just-say-what-I-think-he-said profanity, which could
have been culled from the latest dialogue track of "The Sopranos."

As the Western drama has unfolded, however, series creator David Milch has
widened his scope to encompass the show's female characters as well. In
fact, Milch's central female trinity - fragile widow Alma Garret (Molly
Parker), resourceful prostitute Trixie (Paula Malcomson) and raucous,
self-loathing "Calamity" Jane Cannary (Robin Weigert) -- has become so
multifaceted and fascinating that they are reason in themselves for tuning
into HBO's latest series smash.

"The women have emerged more strongly as we got deeper into the stories,"
says Malcomson, who hails from Belfast, Northern Ireland. "At first,
frankly, we were a bit worried about how to give the women their voices,
because most of their needs were tied somehow to the men. But that's just
the way it was back then."

Parker, who has built a successful career mainly in independent films,
says she is delighted to be a part of "Deadwood," although she definitely
had initial qualms about playing a character who was drugged and almost
totally recessive in her early scenes.

"I haven't done much television before this, so I was used to looking at a
script and getting a clear idea of my character's 'journey' from start to
finish," she explains. "Obviously, I didn't have that here, but I sat down
with David Milch and he started talking -- he's a great talker, a
wonderful storyteller -- and he told me about where Alma came from and
where she might be going."

When viewers first met Alma, she was arriving in Deadwood as the recent
bride of wealthy Brom Garret (Timothy Omundson, "Judging Amy"), an Eastern
dilettante seeking a gold claim. Despite her fine clothing and well-bred
manner, however, Alma was a junkie.

"I read 'The Age of Innocence' again to understand the world Alma came
from," Parker says. "She has spent her life doing what she is supposed to
do for her family, for her father, for society at large. She had become
addicted to laudanum, which was an opiate they gave to women for hysteria
-- because God forbid [sic] women became hysterical."

In addition to her reading about the period, Parker said she got vivid
insight into Alma's constricted world via the painstakingly re-created
period costumes Katherine Jane Bryant has designed for the series.

"I'm basically covered up from my feet all the way to my chin, and those
corsets. They are so constricting, I had to learn how to breathe
differently while wearing them," Parker says. "It's almost shocking how
much that affects, because you can't really draw a full breath, so you
find yourself speaking in a soft, measured way, and shouting, of course,
is out of the question."

Costumes are the least of Malcomson's concerns. As Trixie, the prostitute
who becomes Alma's unlikely ally and protector after the latter's husband
is murdered by claim-jumpers, the actress spends most of her scenes in
period undies - or less, on occasion.

Still, there were other challenges involved in playing the woman whose
past is perhaps the most ambiguous of any character on the show.

"Playing Trixie is like working with pieces of a puzzle," Malcomson laughs
good-naturedly. "It's not like doing a movie, where you can create a solid
back story. Anything can happen on a weekly TV show. I might imagine that
Trixie had 14 brothers and sisters and they're all dead, then suddenly
they show up in an episode. You never know.

"What I try to do with her is focus on her needs of the moment at any
given time, make them the most important thing: her need to survive, to
deal with her immediate life there."

Like Parker, Malcomson turned to Milch for reassurance that her character
wasn't going to be just sexy window dressing while the menfolk carried the
drama.

"When I was preparing for the role, I asked Milch if there was anything in
particularly he'd like me to read, because he's very literary. I figured
I'd read up on prostitutes of that era, but he said, 'No, just the
opposite. Just read about faith.'

"Trixie is capable of a lot. You can't pin her down, and I think that's
true of most people in real life: As you get to know them, you realize
they aren't a particular type, they're very complicated. It's really a
testament to David Milch, how well he captures that in his writing."

Weigert, a stage veteran, found plenty of reading material on Calamity
Jane, but quickly noticed a big problem.

"No one can agree on her, it seems, because everything I read contradicted
everything else I had read," Weigert says. "I think it's safe to say she
was an independent spirit who was completely self-reliant. She's living in
what essentially is a very rough, if not all-male, environment, so she
uses bluster and profanity almost like armor.

"I gratefully rely on David Milch's wonderful writing to show me the way,
but Jane Alexander (who played the same character in the 1984 TV movie
"Calamity Jane") also gave me some good advice while we were filming. I
would e-mail her. She's become a good friend, which makes me very happy."

Like her castmates, however, Weigert says she gets some of her keenest
inspiration simply from the world the HBO designers have re-created on the
show's California locations.

"Even when I'm not doing a scene, I find myself just walking around and
looking at this place, with the mud and the horses and the smells and the
costumes," Weigert says. "I know I'm very lucky to be a part of this, and
I'm already looking forward to starting work on the second season."

[Calamity Coyote ()]

Post by Adrav
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Women of 'Deadwood' Demand Equal Time
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June 8, 2004
By John Crook

[snip great article]

WOW. Hey, Adrav, thanks for posting that! That was fantastic! And Jane
will be back in season two YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

That article made my day! That was so great to read! Really, thanks a
million!

Now if only Tulgey would get her ass back here ... we didn't even get a
chance to talk about last week and tonight is the season ender.

Great lines from last week:

Al (to Jewel): So why'd you go see the Doc?
Jewel: I'm knocked up.

Doc (to Jewel): I wouldn't want to do anything to fuck you up.
Jewel: We wouldn't want thaaat!


LOL... I love that they are even giving Jewel a storyline instead of
just being a b.g. character.

And what did you think of Al's little talk with Sol? At first I thought
he was just ranting as usual, then I realized he was talking about
himself and how Sol was fucking with the one person he has for
respite... the one he can lay down with and "tell half the truth to"...
the one who isn't out to steal or murder him. He was saying it all as if
he understands why SOL would want that, but he was really saying, "She's
my woman, so if you want to sleep with her, you're gonna fuck her like a
whore and pay me." IOW, 'nothing personal.'

They did a lot of explaining last ep... recapping what had happened as
if they felt the audience hadn't been able to follow along. And Seth is
bugging me some now... how he gets so self-righteous... going to Al to
complain that the town shouldn't have a sherrif b/c he's bringing his
wife and child out. So the hell what. He's not the only damn person who
lives there. (Not that I care if the town has a sherrif or not.) But I
also didn't understand why he was mad at the guy they made sherrif, just
b/c he was sitting at the table where Bill died. That guy never did
anything wrong or bad (that we know of anyway).

Has anyone else noticed how so many characters start their sentences
with "Anyways..." (especially when they change the subject). Not that it
isn't common. It's still common today. But it seems like it's just been
the last few ep's that so many are using it. (Used to just be Seth from
the beginning of the series.) Now Joanie says it all the time. Al even
said it once. Which was really weird cause he's not an "anyways" kinda
person. (Course he was at the bar and IIRC was not talking TO anyone...
just to himself.) I can see it being a habit of speech with one
character. But unless it was a linguistic laziness of the times that was
all-pervasive, it feels wrong to have nearly *every* character use it.

But I'm not complaining. I love this show. And I'll love it more when
Calamity Jane comes back!! YAY!! ;-D

Thanks again for the article, Adrav!

Calamity Coyote

[aaron]

***@jane.com wrote:


[snip]

Post by Calamity Coyote ()
if they felt the audience hadn't been able to follow along. And Seth is
bugging me some now... how he gets so self-righteous... going to Al to
complain that the town shouldn't have a sherrif b/c he's bringing his
wife and child out.

i think seth is making the point that he can't be sheriff because he has
a wife and child. why he would bring it up in the first place ?????
but now al has it in his head. and it's obvious, even to al, that seth
would make a good sheriff.

[Calamity Coyote ()]

Post by aaron
[snip]

Post by Calamity Coyote ()
if they felt the audience hadn't been able to follow along. And Seth is
bugging me some now... how he gets so self-righteous... going to Al to
complain that the town shouldn't have a sherrif b/c he's bringing his
wife and child out.

i think seth is making the point that he can't be sheriff because he has
a wife and child. why he would bring it up in the first place ?????

Well that's what was weird. What difference does it make if he has a
wife and child in terms of whether or not the town has a sheriff? It
was like he was saying the town will be more dangerous if there's a
sheriff. And even if that's so, can he really expect the town not to
appoint one, simply because one member of the town doesn't want a
sheriff? (That's what I didn't get. And still don't.) But he redeemed
himself pretty much tonight when he knocked the shit out of Otis
(Alma's father). ;)

Post by aaron
but now al has it in his head. and it's obvious, even to al, that seth
would make a good sheriff.

Al knows he could always guess where Seth stands, making it easier to
wrok around him than if they had a sheriff who was always changing his
colors according to who was paying him. And Al just got his fill of
crooked lawmen, so he's ripe for an honest one, odd as an alliance
that is.

That was a "touching" scene with Al killing the Rev to put him out of
his misery. He usually lunges on people -- people he doesn't care
about -- when he goes to kill them. But he comforted the Rev, took him
in his arms, and coddled him before he suffocated him. ("You can go
now brother...") all pointing back to Al's soft spot for the Rev b/c
of his own brother who was epileptic. Then when he left the room he
was crying. And Trixie saw. They had that moment of exchanging glances
when she was sitting outside the Rev's room in the hall, and knew what
he'd done. And why. Later when the Doc was dancing with Jewel, she
even smiled at him. Couldn't quite tell if she was just happy for
Jewel or was also feeling a soft spot for Al b/c of empathizing with
his mercy-killing of the Rev. All in all it was a good season ender.

Calamity Coyote

[aaron]

Post by Calamity Coyote ()

Post by aaron
[snip]

Post by Calamity Coyote ()
if they felt the audience hadn't been able to follow along. And Seth is
bugging me some now... how he gets so self-righteous... going to Al to
complain that the town shouldn't have a sherrif b/c he's bringing his
wife and child out.

i think seth is making the point that he can't be sheriff because he has
a wife and child. why he would bring it up in the first place ?????

Well that's what was weird. What difference does it make if he has a
wife and child in terms of whether or not the town has a sheriff? It
was like he was saying the town will be more dangerous if there's a
sheriff. And even if that's so, can he really expect the town not to
appoint one, simply because one member of the town doesn't want a
sheriff? (That's what I didn't get. And still don't.) But he redeemed
himself pretty much tonight when he knocked the shit out of Otis
(Alma's father). ;)

seth kind of knew that a sheriff was in the offing, and he wanted to
distance himself from it. (he must have memories like the opening scene
where he hung the guy rather than give him to the mob) and sheriffing
can't be good for ones long term health, thus the wife and kid angle.
as the only real authority a sheriff would have is his word and his
sidearm, seth might be a natural choice. (having proved himself with WB
by killing the squarehead killer and hunting down WB's killer.)

Post by Calamity Coyote ()

Post by aaron
but now al has it in his head. and it's obvious, even to al, that seth
would make a good sheriff.

Al knows he could always guess where Seth stands, making it easier to
wrok around him than if they had a sheriff who was always changing his
colors according to who was paying him. And Al just got his fill of
crooked lawmen, so he's ripe for an honest one, odd as an alliance
that is.

plus with cy in town, and making a move toward chinatown, he needs
someone to help keep the peace. he probably hopes that seth can reel in
cy a bit. especially with cy buying the old sheriff to kill the chinese
laundry guy, and trying to bribe the army into leaving a garrison.
(though not sure al knew about the garrison)

Post by Calamity Coyote ()
That was a "touching" scene with Al killing the Rev to put him out of
his misery. He usually lunges on people -- people he doesn't care
about -- when he goes to kill them. But he comforted the Rev, took him
in his arms, and coddled him before he suffocated him. ("You can go
now brother...") all pointing back to Al's soft spot for the Rev b/c
of his own brother who was epileptic. Then when he left the room he
was crying. And Trixie saw. They had that moment of exchanging glances
when she was sitting outside the Rev's room in the hall, and knew what
he'd done. And why.

yeah that was an oddly touching scene. and al also using it as
'instruction' for his assistant. covering the preachers face and all, even.
and how about the doc, knowing, even if subconsciously, what he had sent
the preacher to al for, and praying it was done quickly. imo, asking
for forgiveness for sending him to be put out of his misery.

Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Later when the Doc was dancing with Jewel, she
even smiled at him. Couldn't quite tell if she was just happy for
Jewel or was also feeling a soft spot for Al b/c of empathizing with
his mercy-killing of the Rev. All in all it was a good season ender.

that was a killer scene.
doc and jewel in the middle of a whorehouse finding comfort. the rest
looking on in happiness/jealousy.

then that smile. imo, al fucking hated that smile. knowing he couldn't
have her. that she gave herself willingly to someone else. (not as a whore)
he still can't get over her.

[Calamity Coyote ()]

Post by aaron

Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Well that's what was weird. What difference does it make if he has a
wife and child in terms of whether or not the town has a sheriff? It
was like he was saying the town will be more dangerous if there's a
sheriff. And even if that's so, can he really expect the town not to
appoint one, simply because one member of the town doesn't want a
sheriff? (That's what I didn't get. And still don't.) But he redeemed
himself pretty much tonight when he knocked the shit out of Otis
(Alma's father). ;)

seth kind of knew that a sheriff was in the offing, and he wanted to
distance himself from it.

Okay I get it now... like he knew as long as there wasn't a sheriff he
didn't have to feel guilty about NOT taking the position... but once
the town appointed one -- and a crooked one -- he knew that'd create
constant tensions [resulting most likely in more murders rather than
less], making the town unsafe and a poor choice for his family....
which he'd already summoned. Thus, he knew he'd have to step in and
take over the position which is exactly what he didn't want to do
that.

Post by aaron
(he must have memories like the opening scene
where he hung the guy rather than give him to the mob)

Boy, what a way to open the series, with him having to tug on the
guy's body to kill him. That whole opening scene of 5 minutes was
really powerful.

Post by aaron
and sheriffing
can't be good for ones long term health, thus the wife and kid angle.

So true.

Post by aaron
as the only real authority a sheriff would have is his word and his
sidearm, seth might be a natural choice. (having proved himself with WB
by killing the squarehead killer and hunting down WB's killer.)

Oh yeah, there was no question he was the natural choice. I just
didn't get why he would think Al would *care* (or anyone for that
matter) what *he* wanted. But I see now Seth was just acting out b/c
*he* was upset. He knew where it would ultimately lead. He was just
venting, avoiding the unavoidable.

Post by aaron

Post by Calamity Coyote ()

Post by aaron
but now al has it in his head. and it's obvious, even to al, that seth
would make a good sheriff.

Al knows he could always guess where Seth stands, making it easier to
wrok around him than if they had a sheriff who was always changing his
colors according to who was paying him. And Al just got his fill of
crooked lawmen, so he's ripe for an honest one, odd as an alliance
that is.

plus with cy in town, and making a move toward chinatown, he needs
someone to help keep the peace. he probably hopes that seth can reel in
cy a bit. especially with cy buying the old sheriff to kill the chinese
laundry guy, and trying to bribe the army into leaving a garrison.
(though not sure al knew about the garrison)

Yeah b/c Al is afraid if they "look like heathens" the govmt will find
an excuse to somehow take their land and the gold on it. And Cy is
riding roughshod over everyone and everything to get what he wants.

Post by aaron

Post by Calamity Coyote ()
That was a "touching" scene with Al killing the Rev to put him out of
his misery. He usually lunges on people -- people he doesn't care
about -- when he goes to kill them. But he comforted the Rev, took him
in his arms, and coddled him before he suffocated him. ("You can go
now brother...") all pointing back to Al's soft spot for the Rev b/c
of his own brother who was epileptic. Then when he left the room he
was crying. And Trixie saw. They had that moment of exchanging glances
when she was sitting outside the Rev's room in the hall, and knew what
he'd done. And why.

yeah that was an oddly touching scene. and al also using it as
'instruction' for his assistant.

Imo he did that to divert himself emotionally b/c what he was doing
was so hard for him. By instructing Johnny it allowed him to view the
murder objectively rather than tune into what he was subjectively
going through.

Post by aaron
covering the preachers face and all, even.
and how about the doc, knowing, even if subconsciously, what he had sent
the preacher to al for, and praying it was done quickly. imo, asking
for forgiveness for sending him to be put out of his misery.

Yeah, that was a trip. I was a little surprised to see the Doc praying
b/c he isn't religious. I had arrived pretty much at the same
conclusion you did. Especially when reviewing how mad Doc got when Al
didn't want to take the Reverand in. I think in that moment Al
realized what the Doc was really asking -- without asking it. Doc was
mad (subconsciously) at Al b/c Al kills men for so little reason, yet
this man who needed to be put out of his misery for all the right
reasons, Al wasn't interested in dealing with. Until *Al* got it. And
that's when he agreed to 'have the whores look after him.'

The other telling thing about Al's soft spot for the Rev was that Al
killed him himself, *b/c* he wanted to do it caringly. After all, he
could have asked Dan to do it [who had no emotional ties to the Rev].
And on top of that, Al carried the Rev's body into the Doc's place.
Another task he normally would have assigned to Johnny and Dan. [One
of them apparently helped Al walk the slat to the Doc's, but Al
carried him inside. And the fact Al accompanied the dead Rev back to
the Doc's at all was significant.] It will be interesting to learn, if
we ever do, whatever became of Al's epileptic brother.

Post by aaron

Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Later when the Doc was dancing with Jewel, she
even smiled at him. Couldn't quite tell if she was just happy for
Jewel or was also feeling a soft spot for Al b/c of empathizing with
his mercy-killing of the Rev. All in all it was a good season ender.

that was a killer scene.
doc and jewel in the middle of a whorehouse finding comfort. the rest
looking on in happiness/jealousy.
then that smile. imo, al fucking hated that smile. knowing he couldn't
have her. that she gave herself willingly to someone else. (not as a whore)
he still can't get over her.

Really? Wow. I'll have to see it again. I mean, I agree with the whole
last part, but I didn't see him as 'hating that fucking smile' ... I
saw him as wanting it... for all the reasons you go on to say.

Calamity Coyote

[aaron]

Post by Calamity Coyote ()

Post by aaron
then that smile. imo, al fucking hated that smile. knowing he couldn't
have her. that she gave herself willingly to someone else. (not as a whore)
he still can't get over her.

Really? Wow. I'll have to see it again. I mean, I agree with the whole
last part, but I didn't see him as 'hating that fucking smile' ... I
saw him as wanting it... for all the reasons you go on to say.

wanting and hating. al hates it because he wants it, i'm sure. he's in
love with a whore. big tough al is getting his ass kicked. he hates
that she has that power over him.

[Calamity Coyote ()]

Post by aaron

Post by Calamity Coyote ()

Post by aaron
then that smile. imo, al fucking hated that smile. knowing he couldn't
have her. that she gave herself willingly to someone else. (not as a whore)
he still can't get over her.

Really? Wow. I'll have to see it again. I mean, I agree with the whole
last part, but I didn't see him as 'hating that fucking smile' ... I
saw him as wanting it... for all the reasons you go on to say.

wanting and hating. al hates it because he wants it, i'm sure.

So you saw some self-loathing then... I can see it read that way.

Post by aaron
he's in
love with a whore. big tough al is getting his ass kicked.

<LOL>

Post by aaron
he hates that she has that power over him.

To me it looked like he hated it more than she doesn't feel the
same... But I see what you're saying and understand.

Can't wait for next season!

[aaron]

Post by Calamity Coyote ()

Post by aaron

Post by Calamity Coyote ()

Post by aaron
then that smile. imo, al fucking hated that smile. knowing he couldn't
have her. that she gave herself willingly to someone else. (not as a whore)
he still can't get over her.

Really? Wow. I'll have to see it again. I mean, I agree with the whole
last part, but I didn't see him as 'hating that fucking smile' ... I
saw him as wanting it... for all the reasons you go on to say.

wanting and hating. al hates it because he wants it, i'm sure.

So you saw some self-loathing then... I can see it read that way.

Post by aaron
he's in
love with a whore. big tough al is getting his ass kicked.

<LOL>

Post by aaron
he hates that she has that power over him.

To me it looked like he hated it more than she doesn't feel the
same... But I see what you're saying and understand.

i agree. opposite side of the same coin. probably all mixed up into a
nice little ball of frustration and misery.

Post by Calamity Coyote ()
Can't wait for next season!

agreed.

[Tulgey Wood]

[snip]

Post by aaron
and how about the doc, knowing, even if subconsciously, what he had sent
the preacher to al for, and praying it was done quickly. imo, asking
for forgiveness for sending him to be put out of his misery.

The doc sent the Rev to Al's whores for succor and comfort in his last
hours. He'd done all he could for the man and couldn't bear to witness
his agony. If he'd known Al intended to euthanize the Rev, he'd also
have known Al wouldn't have dragged it out, so no reason to pray Al
would have it done in a snap, so to speak. Euthanasia doesn't involve
torture, but the opposite. The doc considered torture to be God's
domain, not Al's. The doc wasn't praying to God, he was cursing It.

[Re Trixie]

Post by aaron

Later when the Doc was dancing with Jewel, she even smiled at him.
Couldn't quite tell if she was just happy for Jewel or was also
feeling a soft spot for Al b/c of empathizing with his mercy-killing
of the Rev. All in all it was a good season ender.

that was a killer scene. doc and jewel in the middle of a whorehouse
finding comfort.

Fancy that. Finding comfort in a ho house. ;-P

[snip]

Post by aaron
then that smile. imo, al fucking hated that smile. knowing he couldn't
have her. that she gave herself willingly to someone else. (not as a whore)
he still can't get over her.

He was disarmed by that smile, wasn't he. He loves her. He was hurt by
her infidelity, and tried to punish her through exile. I'll bet that
smile was her ticket home.

[Calamity Coyote ()]

Post by aaron
[snip]

Post by aaron
and how about the doc, knowing, even if subconsciously, what he had sent
the preacher to al for, and praying it was done quickly. imo, asking
for forgiveness for sending him to be put out of his misery.

The doc sent the Rev to Al's whores for succor and comfort in his last
hours. He'd done all he could for the man and couldn't bear to witness
his agony.

That was his conscious intent for sure. But subconsciously, I'm not so
sure.

Post by aaron
If he'd known Al intended to euthanize the Rev, he'd also
have known Al wouldn't have dragged it out, so no reason to pray Al
would have it done in a snap, so to speak. Euthanasia doesn't involve
torture, but the opposite. The doc considered torture to be God's
domain, not Al's. The doc wasn't praying to God, he was cursing It.

Agreed there.

Post by aaron
[Re Trixie]

Post by aaron

Later when the Doc was dancing with Jewel, she even smiled at him.
Couldn't quite tell if she was just happy for Jewel or was also
feeling a soft spot for Al b/c of empathizing with his mercy-killing
of the Rev. All in all it was a good season ender.

that was a killer scene. doc and jewel in the middle of a whorehouse
finding comfort.

Fancy that. Finding comfort in a ho house. ;-P
[snip]

Post by aaron
then that smile. imo, al fucking hated that smile. knowing he couldn't
have her. that she gave herself willingly to someone else. (not as a whore)
he still can't get over her.

He was disarmed by that smile, wasn't he. He loves her. He was hurt by
her infidelity, and tried to punish her through exile. I'll bet that
smile was her ticket home.

Gawd it almost felt *welcoming* in that moment in the Gym. Like an
1897 Cheers! LOL.

[Tulgey Wood]

Post by Calamity Coyote ()

Post by Tulgey Wood

Post by aaron
and how about the doc, knowing, even if subconsciously, what he had
sent the preacher to al for, and praying it was done quickly.
imo, asking for forgiveness for sending him to be put out of his
misery.

The doc sent the Rev to Al's whores for succor and comfort in his
last hours. He'd done all he could for the man and couldn't bear to
witness his agony.

That was his conscious intent for sure. But subconsciously, I'm not so
sure.

I do believe the doc's expectations of Al's hospitality in this regard
is one of those ambiguous plot elements we can argue the rest of our
lives and never resolve. Gotta love it. :-)

[snip]

Post by Calamity Coyote ()

Post by Tulgey Wood

Post by aaron
then that smile. imo, al fucking hated that smile. knowing he
couldn't have her. that she gave herself willingly to someone
else. (not as a whore) he still can't get over her.

He was disarmed by that smile, wasn't he. He loves her. He was hurt
by her infidelity, and tried to punish her through exile. I'll bet
that smile was her ticket home.

Gawd it almost felt *welcoming* in that moment in the Gym. Like an
1897 Cheers! LOL.

ROTFL!! Sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name,
and they're always glad you came. You want to be where you can see,
our troubles are all the same. You want to be where everybody knows
your name.... :-D (Stupid show.)

[Calamity Coyote ()]

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and how about the doc, knowing, even if subconsciously, what he had
sent the preacher to al for, and praying it was done quickly.
imo, asking for forgiveness for sending him to be put out of his
misery.

The doc sent the Rev to Al's whores for succor and comfort in his
last hours. He'd done all he could for the man and couldn't bear to
witness his agony.

That was his conscious intent for sure. But subconsciously, I'm not so
sure.

I do believe the doc's expectations of Al's hospitality in this regard
is one of those ambiguous plot elements we can argue the rest of our
lives and never resolve. Gotta love it. :-)

I concur. I do believe Doc was totally convinced he was sincerely asking
Al to have the whores make Rev comfy in his last hours, b/c it simply
killed Doc to do it, and he couldn't watch the Rev 24/7 and tend to his
other patients too. It was a practical matter as much as anything.

Then again, Doc knows how impatient Al is... and how impatient Al was
with the Rev in particular. I did think that scene was telling between
them when the Doc comes to ask Al and before he actually asks, Al says,
"I've been meaning to see to him (meaning the Rev), but I've been too
busy." And Doc says, "He doesn't want to be seen to that way." And Al
says, "What the fuck are we talking about here?" It seems even Doc and
Al aren't sure what they're asking of each other. The ambiguity is part
of what makes it so great (as you pointed out).

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then that smile. imo, al fucking hated that smile. knowing he
couldn't have her. that she gave herself willingly to someone
else. (not as a whore) he still can't get over her.

He was disarmed by that smile, wasn't he. He loves her. He was hurt
by her infidelity, and tried to punish her through exile. I'll bet
that smile was her ticket home.

Gawd it almost felt *welcoming* in that moment in the Gym. Like an
1897 Cheers! LOL.

ROTFL!! Sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name,
and they're always glad you came. You want to be where you can see,
our troubles are all the same. You want to be where everybody knows
your name.... :-D (Stupid show.)

(That was another show I never watched. I didn't care for Ted Danson...
and less for the shorter blonde that went on to do Natural Born Killers
and White Men Can't Jump, etc.)

C. Coyote

[Tulgey Wood]

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then that smile. imo, al fucking hated that smile. knowing he
couldn't have her. that she gave herself willingly to someone
else. (not as a whore) he still can't get over her.

He was disarmed by that smile, wasn't he. He loves her. He was
hurt by her infidelity, and tried to punish her through exile.
I'll bet that smile was her ticket home.

Gawd it almost felt *welcoming* in that moment in the Gym. Like an
1897 Cheers! LOL.

ROTFL!! Sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name,
and they're always glad you came. You want to be where you can see,
our troubles are all the same. You want to be where everybody knows
your name.... :-D (Stupid show.)

(That was another show I never watched. I didn't care for Ted
Danson... and less for the shorter blonde that went on to do Natural
Born Killers and White Men Can't Jump, etc.)

Woody Harrelson, I think. I don't like him *ner* Ted Danson, and I take
enormous pride in never having seen one episode of Cheers. (For some
reason, though, the chorus of the signature tune has wormed its way into
my neural net. I think it's because for years, Cheers came on directly
after the 11 o'clock news, and I wasn't quick enough on the remote.)

[aaron]

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if they felt the audience hadn't been able to follow along. And Seth is
bugging me some now... how he gets so self-righteous... going to Al to
complain that the town shouldn't have a sherrif b/c he's bringing his
wife and child out.

i think seth is making the point that he can't be sheriff because he has
a wife and child. why he would bring it up in the first place ?????

Well that's what was weird. What difference does it make if he has a
wife and child in terms of whether or not the town has a sheriff? It
was like he was saying the town will be more dangerous if there's a
sheriff. And even if that's so, can he really expect the town not to
appoint one, simply because one member of the town doesn't want a
sheriff? (That's what I didn't get. And still don't.) But he redeemed
himself pretty much tonight when he knocked the shit out of Otis
(Alma's father). ;)

seth kind of knew that a sheriff was in the offing, and he wanted to
distance himself from it. (he must have memories like the opening scene
where he hung the guy rather than give him to the mob) and sheriffing
can't be good for ones long term health, thus the wife and kid angle.
as the only real authority a sheriff would have is his word and his
sidearm, seth might be a natural choice. (having proved himself with WB
by killing the squarehead killer and hunting down WB's killer.)

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but now al has it in his head. and it's obvious, even to al, that seth
would make a good sheriff.

Al knows he could always guess where Seth stands, making it easier to
wrok around him than if they had a sheriff who was always changing his
colors according to who was paying him. And Al just got his fill of
crooked lawmen, so he's ripe for an honest one, odd as an alliance
that is.

plus with cy in town, and making a move toward chinatown, he needs
someone to help keep the peace. he probably hopes that seth can reel in
cy a bit. especially with cy buying the old sheriff to kill the chinese
laundry guy, and trying to bribe the army into leaving a garrison.
(though not sure al knew about the garrison)

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That was a "touching" scene with Al killing the Rev to put him out of
his misery. He usually lunges on people -- people he doesn't care
about -- when he goes to kill them. But he comforted the Rev, took him
in his arms, and coddled him before he suffocated him. ("You can go
now brother...") all pointing back to Al's soft spot for the Rev b/c
of his own brother who was epileptic. Then when he left the room he
was crying. And Trixie saw. They had that moment of exchanging glances
when she was sitting outside the Rev's room in the hall, and knew what
he'd done. And why.

yeah that was an oddly touching scene. and al also using it as
'instruction' for his assistant. covering the preachers face and all, even.
and how about the doc, knowing, even if subconsciously, what he had sent
the preacher to al for, and praying it was done quickly. imo, asking
for forgiveness for sending him to be put out of his misery.

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Later when the Doc was dancing with Jewel, she
even smiled at him. Couldn't quite tell if she was just happy for
Jewel or was also feeling a soft spot for Al b/c of empathizing with
his mercy-killing of the Rev. All in all it was a good season ender.
Calamity Coyote

that was a killer scene.
doc and jewel in the middle of a whorehouse finding comfort. the rest
looking on in happiness/jealousy.

then that smile. imo, al fucking hated that smile. knowing he couldn't
have her. that she gave herself willingly to someone else. (not as a whore)
he still can't get over her.

very good season ender. another 9 month wait. <sigh>

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very good season ender. another 9 month wait. <sigh>

Have you heard it will be nine months, or are you approximating?

[aaron]

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very good season ender. another 9 month wait. <sigh>

Have you heard it will be nine months, or are you approximating?

i'm just guessing. but that seems to be how the pay channels work their
shows. 3 months on, 9 off.

[Calamity Coyote ()]

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very good season ender. another 9 month wait. <sigh>

Have you heard it will be nine months, or are you approximating?

i'm just guessing. but that seems to be how the pay channels work their
shows. 3 months on, 9 off.

Pooey.

Well, the GREAT thing about cable's original series are:

1. No commercials.
2. Virtually no content restrictions.
3. No fucking repeats in the middle of the season like on regular TV
4. No preemptying throughout the season like on regular TV
5. You get it OD so you can rewatch ep's as the season progresses
6. They don't follow normal seasonal TV, so when one series ends, you
can watch another begin, instead of everything being repeats all
summer...

To that end I wish they'd come up with something to fill the gap
between DW S1 and DW S2! Like DW S1 and a half. <g>

Calamity Coyote

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if they felt the audience hadn't been able to follow along. And Seth
is bugging me some now... how he gets so self-righteous... going to
Al to complain that the town shouldn't have a sherrif b/c he's
bringing his wife and child out.

i think seth is making the point that he can't be sheriff because he
has a wife and child. why he would bring it up in the first place
?????

Well that's what was weird. What difference does it make if he has a
wife and child in terms of whether or not the town has a sheriff? It
was like he was saying the town will be more dangerous if there's a
sheriff. And even if that's so, can he really expect the town not to
appoint one, simply because one member of the town doesn't want a
sheriff? (That's what I didn't get. And still don't.) But he redeemed
himself pretty much tonight when he knocked the shit out of Otis
(Alma's father). ;)

Seth walks into the Gem and orders a whiskey. At the bar are E B
Farnum, Tom Nuttall, and Con Stapleton:

E B: You've just missed my swearing in of the camp's new sheriff.

Stapleton: [offers his hand to Seth] Con Stapleton, sir. I'm not sure
if we've actually met.

Seth: [ignores Stapleton's outstretched hand] You were at the table when
Hickok was killed.

Stapleton: Indeed, I was. A horrified bystander.

Seth: We weren't to have a sheriff.

Tom: Well, that's been reconsidered as inevitable.

E B: Had you designs on the post, Bullock?

Seth: I don't want the post.

Stapleton: Well, no hard feelin's, then. Consider me at your service.

Seth: My wife and child are to join me from Michigan.

After Stapleton identifies himself, Seth judges him and blows him off.
It's to E B that Seth says, "I don't want the post. My wife and child
are to join me from Michigan." Then, he goes up to Al's office and
complains that Al has given the sheriff's job to a shitheel, which isn't
right for the camp, that his wife and child are coming to join him.

When Seth came to Deadwood, he intended to leave sheriffing behind and
to make a life and living for his "family" (law enforcement being a sort
of non-family-centric occupation in the day). Therefore, his stock
explanation of why he doesn't want the post as Deadwood's sheriff is
"family considerations." He believes he is the only one in camp
qualified for the post, but he can't take the job because he's trying to
make a life for his family. So, best no sheriff than a corrupt sheriff,
especially in a camp with wives and chillen in.

At the end of Sold Under Sin, when he pins the tin over his tit (Al's
terminology), he's then and there deprioritizing his family, as he does
when he commits adultery with Alma. There's interestin' times ahead,
when the wife and kid arrive. Or not, because I expect sweet and
innocent Alma may be using hell out of randy but gentlemanly Seth:

"If we'd had a kitchen, Sophia, after supper we'd have retired to it,
to chores and gossip on the most minute domestic matters, while the men
talked and smoked, and argued more important matters. And,
incidentally, decided our fates. If we didn't hate them too much to be
curious about the world, we'd wonder what they'd had to say."

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but now al has it in his head. and it's obvious, even to al, that seth
would make a good sheriff.

Al knows he could always guess where Seth stands, making it easier to
wrok around him than if they had a sheriff who was always changing his
colors according to who was paying him. And Al just got his fill of
crooked lawmen, so he's ripe for an honest one, odd as an alliance
that is.

Al has a code (unlike Cy). And Seth has a code (unlike Stapleton). Al
developed his "business model" under influence of certain laws and codes
that Stapleton neither recognizes ner understands.

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That was a "touching" scene with Al killing the Rev to put him out of
his misery. He usually lunges on people -- people he doesn't care
about -- when he goes to kill them. But he comforted the Rev, took him
in his arms, and coddled him before he suffocated him.

Al Swearengen, Angel of Mercy. He's done it before, and was reassuring
himself, reciting procedure. It's probably his brother's euthanasia
he's wanted for in Chicago.

You know, I dearly love the Al Swearengen character. He's just so
bloody complex, like a real human being--really the best
characterization I've ever seen on television, I think. He has all
these personality facets that fold in on themselves when you start to
bring them into focus, and resolve into something else entirely.
Brilliant. Mercenary and "evil" as he is, supposedly, he still has
quite a grounding sense of justice and fairness. It's no coincidence
he's seen so often observing the town's goings-on from the perspective
of a catwalk or balcony or mezzanine. He's really the God of Deadwood,
meting out justice and mercy much as humanity's invented gods do.

And Ian McShane...I gotta say, I've always liked him, always considered
him a lovely man and all, and enjoyed hell out of his work on the BBC.
But until Deadwood, I considered him only a competent actor. Now I
think, this guy's got the chops. He knows his stuff, and he's brilliant
at it. Swearengen is the role of a lifetime, and McShane's doing it
every possible justice. He's a joy to watch.

[Calamity Coyote ()]

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if they felt the audience hadn't been able to follow along. And Seth
is bugging me some now... how he gets so self-righteous... going to
Al to complain that the town shouldn't have a sherrif b/c he's
bringing his wife and child out.

i think seth is making the point that he can't be sheriff because he
has a wife and child. why he would bring it up in the first place
?????

Well that's what was weird. What difference does it make if he has a
wife and child in terms of whether or not the town has a sheriff? It
was like he was saying the town will be more dangerous if there's a
sheriff. And even if that's so, can he really expect the town not to
appoint one, simply because one member of the town doesn't want a
sheriff? (That's what I didn't get. And still don't.) But he redeemed
himself pretty much tonight when he knocked the shit out of Otis
(Alma's father). ;)

Seth walks into the Gem and orders a whiskey. At the bar are E B

[...]

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After Stapleton identifies himself, Seth judges him and blows him off.
It's to E B that Seth says, "I don't want the post. My wife and child
are to join me from Michigan." Then, he goes up to Al's office and
complains that Al has given the sheriff's job to a shitheel, which isn't
right for the camp, that his wife and child are coming to join him.

Right. And the guy turns out to *be* a shitheel, but we hadn't any
indication he was one at that point. (Not real important. Just an
observation.)

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When Seth came to Deadwood, he intended to leave sheriffing behind and
to make a life and living for his "family" (law enforcement being a sort
of non-family-centric occupation in the day). Therefore, his stock
explanation of why he doesn't want the post as Deadwood's sheriff is
"family considerations." He believes he is the only one in camp
qualified for the post, but he can't take the job because he's trying to
make a life for his family. So, best no sheriff than a corrupt sheriff,
especially in a camp with wives and chillen in.
At the end of Sold Under Sin, when he pins the tin over his tit (Al's
terminology), he's then and there deprioritizing his family, as he does
when he commits adultery with Alma.

Good points! I like that word, "deprioritized"!

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There's interestin' times ahead,
when the wife and kid arrive. Or not, because I expect sweet and
"If we'd had a kitchen, Sophia, after supper we'd have retired to it,
to chores and gossip on the most minute domestic matters, while the men
talked and smoked, and argued more important matters. And,
incidentally, decided our fates. If we didn't hate them too much to be
curious about the world, we'd wonder what they'd had to say."

Oh man, yeah! I meant to bring that up! What a killer line. Did that
make your eyeballs pop outa your head or what? But was the reference
(or inference) more about her Father and his friends, or was it really
about Otis -and- Seth? That is, men period? Any and all?

I'll say one thing... she looked hotter with Joanie just before Seth
walked in. At one point when they were standing close I yelled, "KISS
DAMMIT!" (Lesbian-tourette-syndrome.)

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but now al has it in his head. and it's obvious, even to al, that seth
would make a good sheriff.

Al knows he could always guess where Seth stands, making it easier to
wrok around him than if they had a sheriff who was always changing his
colors according to who was paying him. And Al just got his fill of
crooked lawmen, so he's ripe for an honest one, odd as an alliance
that is.

Al has a code (unlike Cy). And Seth has a code (unlike Stapleton). Al
developed his "business model" under influence of certain laws and codes
that Stapleton neither recognizes ner understands.

Another good observation.

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That was a "touching" scene with Al killing the Rev to put him out of
his misery. He usually lunges on people -- people he doesn't care
about -- when he goes to kill them. But he comforted the Rev, took him
in his arms, and coddled him before he suffocated him.

Al Swearengen, Angel of Mercy. He's done it before, and was reassuring
himself, reciting procedure. It's probably his brother's euthanasia
he's wanted for in Chicago.

Actually he explained his crime in the 'opening monologue' to Trixie
who was looking out their bedroom window. Said he was starting a
brothel [in Chicago] and was buying girls from a whore house for his
place, and the equivalent of a cop came in to shake the place down for
protection money, basically. That was the gist (qualifier: from what I
could gather just seeing it once and not being able to rewind that
part and listen again b/c it was tough to catch it all). Al said it
pissed him off so "I knifed the tub of guts." He said that's what the
magistrate's murder warrant was about.

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You know, I dearly love the Al Swearengen character. He's just so
bloody complex, like a real human being--really the best
characterization I've ever seen on television, I think. He has all
these personality facets that fold in on themselves when you start to
bring them into focus, and resolve into something else entirely.
Brilliant. Mercenary and "evil" as he is, supposedly, he still has
quite a grounding sense of justice and fairness. It's no coincidence
he's seen so often observing the town's goings-on from the perspective
of a catwalk or balcony or mezzanine. He's really the God of Deadwood,
meting out justice and mercy much as humanity's invented gods do.

He does watch over the town -- almost as if it were his child that [he
feels] needs his discipline and guidance. Kind of like how someone
would feel who started a large company. He cut down the trees with Dan
to clear the land... set up shop. He's watched DW grow. He took over
when the plague hit, "watching out" for the citizens. He organized
getting DW annexed and paying the bribes. He seems to have a genuine
love for DW... in the tyranical way Al loves anyway.

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And Ian McShane...I gotta say, I've always liked him, always considered
him a lovely man and all, and enjoyed hell out of his work on the BBC.
But until Deadwood, I considered him only a competent actor. Now I
think, this guy's got the chops. He knows his stuff, and he's brilliant
at it. Swearengen is the role of a lifetime, and McShane's doing it
every possible justice. He's a joy to watch.

He *is* perfect for the role. I'm really glad you're enjoying it. :)

Calamity Coyote

[Tulgey Wood]

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if they felt the audience hadn't been able to follow along. And
Seth is bugging me some now... how he gets so self-righteous...
going to Al to complain that the town shouldn't have a sherrif
b/c he's bringing his wife and child out.

i think seth is making the point that he can't be sheriff because
he has a wife and child. why he would bring it up in the first
place ?????

Well that's what was weird. What difference does it make if he has a
wife and child in terms of whether or not the town has a sheriff?
It was like he was saying the town will be more dangerous if
there's a sheriff. And even if that's so, can he really expect the
town not to appoint one, simply because one member of the town
doesn't want a sheriff? (That's what I didn't get. And still
don't.) But he redeemed himself pretty much tonight when he knocked
the shit out of Otis (Alma's father). ;)

Seth walks into the Gem and orders a whiskey. At the bar are E B

[...]

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After Stapleton identifies himself, Seth judges him and blows him
off. It's to E B that Seth says, "I don't want the post. My wife
and child are to join me from Michigan." Then, he goes up to Al's
office and complains that Al has given the sheriff's job to a
shitheel, which isn't right for the camp, that his wife and child
are coming to join him.

Right. And the guy turns out to *be* a shitheel, but we hadn't any
indication he was one at that point. (Not real important. Just an
observation.)

The previous indication was his close association with Bullet Wrist (a
*known* self-promoting, self-aggrandizing scumbag). Plus, I gotta
admit, Seth was acting just a bit (ahahaha) hormonal on the day. <snort>

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When Seth came to Deadwood, he intended to leave sheriffing behind
and to make a life and living for his "family" (law enforcement
being a sort of non-family-centric occupation in the day).
Therefore, his stock explanation of why he doesn't want the post as
Deadwood's sheriff is "family considerations." He believes he is
the only one in camp qualified for the post, but he can't take the
job because he's trying to make a life for his family. So, best no
sheriff than a corrupt sheriff, especially in a camp with wives and
chillen in.
At the end of Sold Under Sin, when he pins the tin over his tit (Al's
terminology), he's then and there deprioritizing his family, as he
does when he commits adultery with Alma.

Good points! I like that word, "deprioritized"!

Good, isn't it. :-) I don't think it's a word, officially, but it
should be.

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There's interestin' times ahead, when the wife and kid arrive. Or
not, because I expect sweet and innocent Alma may be using hell out
"If we'd had a kitchen, Sophia, after supper we'd have retired to it,
to chores and gossip on the most minute domestic matters, while the
men talked and smoked, and argued more important matters. And,
incidentally, decided our fates. If we didn't hate them too much to
be curious about the world, we'd wonder what they'd had to say."

Oh man, yeah! I meant to bring that up! What a killer line. Did that
make your eyeballs pop outa your head or what?

Made me realize there was more to the Alma that originally met the eye,
yeah. Oh, and my eyeballs did the popping out thing, too. As they
would. :-D

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But was the reference (or inference) more about her Father and his
friends, or was it really about Otis -and- Seth? That is, men period?
Any and all?

Oh, I think it was men, any and all. Alma's been used and abused by men
all of her life, and bloody well sick of it, I should think. She's
about in a position to get her own back, and I think she will, in a
great big way.

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I'll say one thing... she looked hotter with Joanie just before Seth
walked in. At one point when they were standing close I yelled, "KISS
DAMMIT!"

I thought maybe Joanie was working up to it, but didn't make the move
because the LSG was in the room. :-D

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(Lesbian-tourette-syndrome.)

ROTFL!! No cure, you know. :-D

[snip]

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That was a "touching" scene with Al killing the Rev to put him out
of his misery. He usually lunges on people -- people he doesn't
care about -- when he goes to kill them. But he comforted the Rev,
took him in his arms, and coddled him before he suffocated him.

Al Swearengen, Angel of Mercy. He's done it before, and was
reassuring himself, reciting procedure. It's probably his brother's
euthanasia he's wanted for in Chicago.

Actually he explained his crime in the 'opening monologue' to Trixie
who was looking out their bedroom window. Said he was starting a
brothel [in Chicago] and was buying girls from a whore house for his
place, and the equivalent of a cop came in to shake the place down
for protection money, basically. That was the gist (qualifier: from
what I could gather just seeing it once and not being able to rewind
that part and listen again b/c it was tough to catch it all). Al said
it pissed him off so "I knifed the tub of guts." He said that's what
the magistrate's murder warrant was about.

He told Trixie at the beginning, and he told his blow job ho at the
ending. And they were two different stories. Makes me think there may
be a third, *true* story. Or not. In any case, warrant or no, he may
have euthanized his brother. Or someone he loved.

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You know, I dearly love the Al Swearengen character. He's just so
bloody complex, like a real human being--really the best
characterization I've ever seen on television, I think. He has all
these personality facets that fold in on themselves when you start
to bring them into focus, and resolve into something else entirely.
Brilliant. Mercenary and "evil" as he is, supposedly, he still has
quite a grounding sense of justice and fairness. It's no
coincidence he's seen so often observing the town's goings-on from
the perspective of a catwalk or balcony or mezzanine. He's really
the God of Deadwood, meting out justice and mercy much as humanity's
invented gods do.

He does watch over the town -- almost as if it were his child that [he
feels] needs his discipline and guidance. Kind of like how someone
would feel who started a large company. He cut down the trees with
Dan to clear the land... set up shop. He's watched DW grow. He took
over when the plague hit, "watching out" for the citizens. He
organized getting DW annexed and paying the bribes. He seems to have
a genuine love for DW... in the tyranical way Al loves anyway.

Possessively. As gods do.

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And Ian McShane...I gotta say, I've always liked him, always
considered him a lovely man and all, and enjoyed hell out of his
work on the BBC. But until Deadwood, I considered him only a
competent actor. Now I think, this guy's got the chops. He knows
his stuff, and he's brilliant at it. Swearengen is the role of a
lifetime, and McShane's doing it every possible justice. He's a joy
to watch.

He *is* perfect for the role. I'm really glad you're enjoying it. :)

Yes, I am. Thanks *heaps* for putting me onto it. :-)

[l***@large.com]

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[...]

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After Stapleton identifies himself, Seth judges him and blows him
off. It's to E B that Seth says, "I don't want the post. My wife
and child are to join me from Michigan." Then, he goes up to Al's
office and complains that Al has given the sheriff's job to a
shitheel, which isn't right for the camp, that his wife and child
are coming to join him.

Right. And the guy turns out to *be* a shitheel, but we hadn't any
indication he was one at that point. (Not real important. Just an
observation.)

The previous indication was his close association with Bullet Wrist (a
*known* self-promoting, self-aggrandizing scumbag). Plus, I gotta
admit, Seth was acting just a bit (ahahaha) hormonal on the day. <snort>

After I thought about it too, I think the fact that the guy *was* always
in a bar playing poker rather than working or adding to the town
somehow, revealed him as a shitheel to Seth. He was a bar hag.

[...]

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At the end of Sold Under Sin, when he pins the tin over his tit (Al's
terminology), he's then and there deprioritizing his family, as he
does when he commits adultery with Alma.

Good points! I like that word, "deprioritized"!

Good, isn't it. :-) I don't think it's a word, officially, but it
should be.

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There's interestin' times ahead, when the wife and kid arrive. Or
not, because I expect sweet and innocent Alma may be using hell out

I noticed a lot more when I re-watched the season ender this evening...
especially that last scene with Seth on Al's balcony and Alma opening
her dress for him from her window across the way... she *is* going to
use the hell out of him. The first time through I thought she was being
romantic, but now I see the dynamics more clearly.

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"If we'd had a kitchen, Sophia, after supper we'd have retired to it,
to chores and gossip on the most minute domestic matters, while the
men talked and smoked, and argued more important matters. And,
incidentally, decided our fates. If we didn't hate them too much to
be curious about the world, we'd wonder what they'd had to say."

Oh man, yeah! I meant to bring that up! What a killer line. Did that
make your eyeballs pop outa your head or what?

Made me realize there was more to the Alma that originally met the eye,
yeah. Oh, and my eyeballs did the popping out thing, too. As they
would. :-D

And tonight when I rewatched I realized Otis sexually abused Alma her
whole childhood. I missed that the first time. (Though I asked myself
the question when he first entered the week prior, kissed her lips and
told Elsworth: "I take the liberties of a Father." I thought that an odd
line and a buzzer went off in my head. But then I forgot about it.)
However tonight I saw it clearly. Alma was watching the exchanges
between her Father and Sophia, while he was screwing her (Alma) over
with the claim. When she finally broke, her reaction was to get the
little girl away from her Father. But she was really rescuing herself
from him. The way she couldn't when she was that age and was totally
charmed and mesmerized by him. And now he was raping her again --
financially this time. Joanie even saw it. Which is why she spilled her
own incestuous story to Alma... she knew there's only one reason a
daughter stands by and allows her father to be beaten nearly to death --
and it isn't over gold. It was such an intimate moment between them...
the way Joanie was caressing Alma's forearms... and how they jumped at
the knock on the door. So we learn why Joanie prefers women..?

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But was the reference (or inference) more about her Father and his
friends, or was it really about Otis -and- Seth? That is, men period?
Any and all?

Oh, I think it was men, any and all. Alma's been used and abused by men
all of her life, and bloody well sick of it, I should think. She's
about in a position to get her own back, and I think she will, in a
great big way.

At the same time she is pragmatic and smart and realizes she must have a
man to get her through this man's world. Seth is perfect for this
purpose and it seems she WILL have him. The fact she can't marry him
makes him even more ideal then. As she doesn't want to be beholden to
any man. As a lover she can control him without him controling her,
legally or otherwise as a husband would. She can call the shots.

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I'll say one thing... she looked hotter with Joanie just before Seth
walked in. At one point when they were standing close I yelled, "KISS
DAMMIT!"

I thought maybe Joanie was working up to it, but didn't make the move
because the LSG was in the room. :-D

Yeah cause she glanced at her at one point...

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(Lesbian-tourette-syndrome.)

ROTFL!! No cure, you know. :-D

Cur-sed shame...

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[snip]

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That was a "touching" scene with Al killing the Rev to put him out
of his misery. He usually lunges on people -- people he doesn't
care about -- when he goes to kill them. But he comforted the Rev,
took him in his arms, and coddled him before he suffocated him.

Al Swearengen, Angel of Mercy. He's done it before, and was
reassuring himself, reciting procedure. It's probably his brother's
euthanasia he's wanted for in Chicago.

Actually he explained his crime in the 'opening monologue' to Trixie
who was looking out their bedroom window. Said he was starting a
brothel [in Chicago] and was buying girls from a whore house for his
place, and the equivalent of a cop came in to shake the place down
for protection money, basically. That was the gist (qualifier: from
what I could gather just seeing it once and not being able to rewind
that part and listen again b/c it was tough to catch it all). Al said
it pissed him off so "I knifed the tub of guts." He said that's what
the magistrate's murder warrant was about.

He told Trixie at the beginning, and he told his blow job ho at the
ending. And they were two different stories.

The story to Trixie was about the magistrate's murder warrant. The cop
he killed. The story at the end to the blowhore was about the boyhood
orphanage he was dropped off at to live, by his mother, who was a whore.
It did get confusing there b/c Al was talking like he was a boy when
she dropped him off. Like he was raised, and sexually abused, in this
orphanage. Then he tells the blowhore that the $7.50 his mother left
him, was what he used to buy her from the whorehouse in front of the
orphanage. And he makes a comment that when he got the money (or
something... gotta listen again) it was 30 years before she was born.
Maybe "Fat-Ass Mrs. Anderson" gave Al his $7.50 when he was old enough
to leave the orphanage, and he walked up front, paid for the blowhore to
take to the camps to start his own whorehouse... and that's when he
stabbed the cop. ? I believe the two stories *do* make sense. It's just
hard to follow. I'll listen again. OTOH Al made that comment to Sol last
week about, 'trusting someone enough to tell them half the truth in
bed...' so maybe you're right. Maybe they are two conflicting stories.
But I don't think so.

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Makes me think there may
be a third, *true* story. Or not. In any case, warrant or no, he may
have euthanized his brother. Or someone he loved.

That's why I wondered if we'll ever find out what happened to his
brother...

Seems Trixie is missing Al a little... or feeling empathetic towards him
after he had to kill the Rev. Did you notice how when Al is eating
peaches at the bar and Trixie appears in the b.g. along with the Doc,
and Trixie says, "Hi Doc," but she's looking at Al's back instead. Doc
lools at Al, then back at Trixie... but the camera stays square on Al,
who stops for a sec at the sound of Trixie's voice, then instructs Dan
to do something and walks off without acknowledging her. She watches him
go.

That smile she gave him at the end was genuine. She knows she hurt him
and she feels bad. Another thing I realized.... she slept with Sol when
Al allowed Trixie half a day off to enjoy herself ... he suggested she
go visit the child, "sally fucking forth" <LOL! Loved that line!> ...
and she went to another man instead. This was part of his plan to win
her by being nice rather than by force. (I spoke about this before...
how after she tried to kill herself he realized he had to control her
some other way than by force.)

When she smiled at him and he looked at her and tipped his head, it was
like, "Whaaat? You dooo like me? Is that what you're saying?" [in that
slow sarcastic tone he gets that's like a mock surprise voice) and
that's when the smile left her face and she looked away. Cause she
realized she can't answer that look honestly with an answer he likes.
Despite her empathy for him. Then he looked down, and kind of sunk, then
picked himself back up. A great exchange.

Calamity Coyote

[Tulgey Wood]

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After Stapleton identifies himself, Seth judges him and blows him
off. It's to E B that Seth says, "I don't want the post. My wife
and child are to join me from Michigan." Then, he goes up to Al's
office and complains that Al has given the sheriff's job to a
shitheel, which isn't right for the camp, that his wife and child
are coming to join him.

Right. And the guy turns out to *be* a shitheel, but we hadn't any
indication he was one at that point. (Not real important. Just an
observation.)

The previous indication was his close association with Bullet Wrist
(a *known* self-promoting, self-aggrandizing scumbag). Plus, I
gotta admit, Seth was acting just a bit (ahahaha) hormonal on the
day. <snort>

After I thought about it too, I think the fact that the guy *was*
always in a bar playing poker rather than working or adding to the
town somehow, revealed him as a shitheel to Seth. He was a bar hag.

LOL!! Plus, he was dagged out in dandywear.

[snip]

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There's interestin' times ahead, when the wife and kid arrive. Or
not, because I expect sweet and innocent Alma may be using hell

I noticed a lot more when I re-watched the season ender this
evening... especially that last scene with Seth on Al's balcony and
Alma opening her dress for him from her window across the way... she
*is* going to use the hell out of him. The first time through I
thought she was being romantic, but now I see the dynamics more
clearly.

He's her bitch, now. :-D (Good catch, Ms Coyote.)

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"If we'd had a kitchen, Sophia, after supper we'd have retired to
it, to chores and gossip on the most minute domestic matters,
while the men talked and smoked, and argued more important
matters. And, incidentally, decided our fates. If we didn't hate
them too much to be curious about the world, we'd wonder what
they'd had to say."

Oh man, yeah! I meant to bring that up! What a killer line. Did that
make your eyeballs pop outa your head or what?

Made me realize there was more to the Alma that originally met the
eye, yeah. Oh, and my eyeballs did the popping out thing, too. As
they would. :-D

And tonight when I rewatched I realized Otis sexually abused Alma her
whole childhood. I missed that the first time. (Though I asked myself
the question when he first entered the week prior, kissed her lips
and told Elsworth: "I take the liberties of a Father." I thought that
an odd line and a buzzer went off in my head. But then I forgot about
it.) However tonight I saw it clearly. Alma was watching the
exchanges between her Father and Sophia, while he was screwing her
(Alma) over with the claim. When she finally broke, her reaction was
to get the little girl away from her Father. But she was really
rescuing herself from him. The way she couldn't when she was that age
and was totally charmed and mesmerized by him.

Or just powerless to resist him, as children are.

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And now he was raping her again -- financially this time.

In the day, women and their affairs were manipulated to serve men. They
were children, pawns, victims; they never led their own lives--their
lives were led for them, and all the while they were patted on the head
and told everything was done with their interests at heart.

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Joanie even saw it. Which is why she spilled her own incestuous story
to Alma... she knew there's only one reason a daughter stands by and
allows her father to be beaten nearly to death -- and it isn't over
gold. It was such an intimate moment between them... the way Joanie
was caressing Alma's forearms... and how they jumped at the knock on
the door. So we learn why Joanie prefers women..?

I don't like to think she was driven to it by some stinkin' man, but if
that's the case, she wouldn't be the first ner last.

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But was the reference (or inference) more about her Father and his
friends, or was it really about Otis -and- Seth? That is, men
period? Any and all?

Oh, I think it was men, any and all. Alma's been used and abused by
men all of her life, and bloody well sick of it, I should think.
She's about in a position to get her own back, and I think she will,
in a great big way.

At the same time she is pragmatic and smart and realizes she must have
a man to get her through this man's world. Seth is perfect for this
purpose and it seems she WILL have him. The fact she can't marry him
makes him even more ideal then. As she doesn't want to be beholden to
any man. As a lover she can control him without him controling her,
legally or otherwise as a husband would. She can call the shots.

Yes! I love how Alma was "snuck" in under our radar. Until now, I'd
dismissed her as an insipid twit. Reconsidering Alma: She felt
completely helpless having been sold to Brom Garrett--hence the drug
addiction. But she was able to overcome her addiction through sheer
will (and with help from a confederacy of whores--victims of men if ever
there were), and all the while, guardian of a child as helpless as she.

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I'll say one thing... she looked hotter with Joanie just before Seth
walked in. At one point when they were standing close I yelled,
"KISS DAMMIT!"

I thought maybe Joanie was working up to it, but didn't make the move
because the LSG was in the room. :-D

Yeah cause she glanced at her at one point...

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(Lesbian-tourette-syndrome.)

ROTFL!! No cure, you know. :-D

Cur-sed shame...

Uh-huh....

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That was a "touching" scene with Al killing the Rev to put him out
of his misery. He usually lunges on people -- people he doesn't
care about -- when he goes to kill them. But he comforted the
Rev, took him in his arms, and coddled him before he suffocated
him.

Al Swearengen, Angel of Mercy. He's done it before, and was
reassuring himself, reciting procedure. It's probably his
brother's euthanasia he's wanted for in Chicago.

Actually he explained his crime in the 'opening monologue' to Trixie
who was looking out their bedroom window. Said he was starting a
brothel [in Chicago] and was buying girls from a whore house for
his place, and the equivalent of a cop came in to shake the place
from what I could gather just seeing it once and not being able to
rewind that part and listen again b/c it was tough to catch it
all). Al said it pissed him off so "I knifed the tub of guts." He
said that's what the magistrate's murder warrant was about.

He told Trixie at the beginning, and he told his blow job ho at the
ending. And they were two different stories.

The story to Trixie was about the magistrate's murder warrant. The cop
he killed. The story at the end to the blowhore was about the boyhood
orphanage he was dropped off at to live, by his mother, who was a
whore. It did get confusing there b/c Al was talking like he was a
boy when she dropped him off. Like he was raised, and sexually
abused, in this orphanage. Then he tells the blowhore that the $7.50
his mother left him, was what he used to buy her from the whorehouse
in front of the orphanage. And he makes a comment that when he got
the money (or something... gotta listen again) it was 30 years before
she was born. Maybe "Fat-Ass Mrs. Anderson" gave Al his $7.50 when he
was old enough to leave the orphanage, and he walked up front, paid
for the blowhore to take to the camps to start his own whorehouse...
and that's when he stabbed the cop. ? I believe the two stories *do*
make sense. It's just hard to follow. I'll listen again. OTOH Al made
that comment to Sol last week about, 'trusting someone enough to tell
them half the truth in bed...' so maybe you're right. Maybe they are
two conflicting stories. But I don't think so.

Not conflicting, *different*. I'll rewatch and post on this after.

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Makes me think there may be a third, *true* story. Or not. In any
case, warrant or no, he may have euthanized his brother. Or someone
he loved.

That's why I wondered if we'll ever find out what happened to his
brother...

The brother may have been an anecdotal plot element, with no purpose
other than to flesh out Al's back story. Guess we'll find out as the
story progresses....

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Seems Trixie is missing Al a little... or feeling empathetic towards
him after he had to kill the Rev. Did you notice how when Al is
eating peaches at the bar and Trixie appears in the b.g. along with
the Doc, and Trixie says, "Hi Doc," but she's looking at Al's back
instead. Doc lools at Al, then back at Trixie... but the camera stays
square on Al, who stops for a sec at the sound of Trixie's voice,
then instructs Dan to do something and walks off without
acknowledging her. She watches him go.

Yeah, I wonder what's going on with Trixie. We know Al loves her, and
we know Sol fancies her (and may respect her more than he would a
"common" ho), but it's Trixie who's the enigma.

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That smile she gave him at the end was genuine. She knows she hurt him
and she feels bad. Another thing I realized.... she slept with Sol
when Al allowed Trixie half a day off to enjoy herself ... he
suggested she go visit the child, "sally fucking forth" <LOL! Loved
that line!>

LOL!! Yeah. :-D

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... and she went to another man instead. This was part of his plan to
win her by being nice rather than by force. (I spoke about this
before... how after she tried to kill herself he realized he had to
control her some other way than by force.)

Oooh, this sounds a bit parallel to Cy and Joanie, don't it? =O I don't
think I'm smelling "formula" just yet, so the parallel must be
intentional.

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When she smiled at him and he looked at her and tipped his head, it
was like, "Whaaat? You dooo like me? Is that what you're saying?" [in
that slow sarcastic tone he gets that's like a mock surprise voice)
and that's when the smile left her face and she looked away. Cause
she realized she can't answer that look honestly with an answer he
likes. Despite her empathy for him. Then he looked down, and kind of
sunk, then picked himself back up. A great exchange.

And not a word spoken. That's brilliant acting (and writing).

[Calamity Coyote ()]

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There's interestin' times ahead, when the wife and kid arrive. Or
not, because I expect sweet and innocent Alma may be using hell

I noticed a lot more when I re-watched the season ender this
evening... especially that last scene with Seth on Al's balcony and
Alma opening her dress for him from her window across the way... she
*is* going to use the hell out of him. The first time through I
thought she was being romantic, but now I see the dynamics more
clearly.

He's her bitch, now. :-D (Good catch, Ms Coyote.)

LOL!! Love it! (Ever see that biker tee shirt that says on the back:
"If you can read this the bitch fell off" ? Alma needs one!)

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"If we'd had a kitchen, Sophia, after supper we'd have retired to
it, to chores and gossip on the most minute domestic matters,
while the men talked and smoked, and argued more important
matters. And, incidentally, decided our fates. If we didn't hate
them too much to be curious about the world, we'd wonder what
they'd had to say."

(I just couldn't snip this cause I love to read it over and over. It was
such a shocking scene that just sort of slithered by.)

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Oh man, yeah! I meant to bring that up! What a killer line. Did that
make your eyeballs pop outa your head or what?

Made me realize there was more to the Alma that originally met the
eye, yeah. Oh, and my eyeballs did the popping out thing, too. As
they would. :-D

And tonight when I rewatched I realized Otis sexually abused Alma her
whole childhood. I missed that the first time. (Though I asked myself
the question when he first entered the week prior, kissed her lips
and told Elsworth: "I take the liberties of a Father." I thought that
an odd line and a buzzer went off in my head. But then I forgot about
it.) However tonight I saw it clearly. Alma was watching the
exchanges between her Father and Sophia, while he was screwing her
(Alma) over with the claim. When she finally broke, her reaction was
to get the little girl away from her Father. But she was really
rescuing herself from him. The way she couldn't when she was that age
and was totally charmed and mesmerized by him.

Or just powerless to resist him, as children are.

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And now he was raping her again -- financially this time.

In the day, women and their affairs were manipulated to serve men. They
were children, pawns, victims; they never led their own lives--their
lives were led for them, and all the while they were patted on the head
and told everything was done with their interests at heart.

Even incest, apparently.

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Joanie even saw it. Which is why she spilled her own incestuous story
to Alma... she knew there's only one reason a daughter stands by and
allows her father to be beaten nearly to death -- and it isn't over
gold. It was such an intimate moment between them... the way Joanie
was caressing Alma's forearms... and how they jumped at the knock on
the door. So we learn why Joanie prefers women..?

I don't like to think she was driven to it by some stinkin' man, but if
that's the case, she wouldn't be the first ner last.

I believe when they first devised Joanie's character they intended to
make her sharp and educated. The first ep with her in it certainly made
it seem so. But as Milch is famous for doing, they decided en route and
right after that (or shortly thereafter) that there was some advantage
to playing her more innocently and less worldly. More of a county girl.
I don't know where they're going with her, but I liked her better when
she was playing a more sophisticated version of the character. Not that
I don't like her now. I do. I just liked her even more before. But I'm
sure they have a purpose...

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But was the reference (or inference) more about her Father and his
friends, or was it really about Otis -and- Seth? That is, men
period? Any and all?

Oh, I think it was men, any and all. Alma's been used and abused by
men all of her life, and bloody well sick of it, I should think.
She's about in a position to get her own back, and I think she will,
in a great big way.

At the same time she is pragmatic and smart and realizes she must have
a man to get her through this man's world. Seth is perfect for this
purpose and it seems she WILL have him. The fact she can't marry him
makes him even more ideal then. As she doesn't want to be beholden to
any man. As a lover she can control him without him controling her,
legally or otherwise as a husband would. She can call the shots.

Yes! I love how Alma was "snuck" in under our radar.

TOTALLY! Great way to put it!

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Until now, I'd
dismissed her as an insipid twit. Reconsidering Alma: She felt
completely helpless having been sold to Brom Garrett--hence the drug
addiction. But she was able to overcome her addiction through sheer
will

(without a husband she finally had a reason to live again! she got her
life back after all...)

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(and with help from a confederacy of whores--victims of men if ever
there were), and all the while, guardian of a child as helpless as she.

Nice recap!

[snip different stories Al told and putting it off until a rewatch]

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Makes me think there may be a third, *true* story. Or not. In any
case, warrant or no, he may have euthanized his brother. Or someone
he loved.

That's why I wondered if we'll ever find out what happened to his
brother...

The brother may have been an anecdotal plot element, with no purpose
other than to flesh out Al's back story. Guess we'll find out as the
story progresses....

Well he (the brother) was the reason Al was empathetic to the Rev which
added a shading of humanity to our villain. :) And made the scene of
Al's mercy killing that much more meaningful in what wrapped up a long
story arc for the Rev into a nice emotional climax.

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Seems Trixie is missing Al a little... or feeling empathetic towards
him after he had to kill the Rev. Did you notice how when Al is
eating peaches at the bar and Trixie appears in the b.g. along with
the Doc, and Trixie says, "Hi Doc," but she's looking at Al's back
instead. Doc lools at Al, then back at Trixie... but the camera stays
square on Al, who stops for a sec at the sound of Trixie's voice,
then instructs Dan to do something and walks off without
acknowledging her. She watches him go.

Yeah, I wonder what's going on with Trixie. We know Al loves her, and
we know Sol fancies her (and may respect her more than he would a
"common" ho), but it's Trixie who's the enigma.

I think she feels both things -- an attraction for Sol who respects her.
The offering or tantalyzing chance for a normal life. But then she knows
that can't happen. So she looks back to her reality and she sees Al. And
b/c Trixie is a caring person by nature, she empathizes to a degree with
him. Especially now b/c she knows he's trying to change [b/c normally he
would have beat the shit out of her for far less]. She's just being a
woman... coping with very difficult circumstances as best she can and
reacting to the men around her and their pulls on her.

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That smile she gave him at the end was genuine. She knows she hurt him
and she feels bad. Another thing I realized.... she slept with Sol
when Al allowed Trixie half a day off to enjoy herself ... he
suggested she go visit the child, "sally fucking forth" <LOL! Loved
that line!>

LOL!! Yeah. :-D

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... and she went to another man instead. This was part of his plan to
win her by being nice rather than by force. (I spoke about this
before... how after she tried to kill herself he realized he had to
control her some other way than by force.)

Oooh, this sounds a bit parallel to Cy and Joanie, don't it? =O I don't
think I'm smelling "formula" just yet, so the parallel must be
intentional.

I don't see a parallel except that Cy loves and wants Joanie... and Al
loves and wants Trixie. But that's hardly a parallel... every str8 man
loves and wants some woman. <g>

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When she smiled at him and he looked at her and tipped his head, it
was like, "Whaaat? You dooo like me? Is that what you're saying?" [in
that slow sarcastic tone he gets that's like a mock surprise voice)
and that's when the smile left her face and she looked away. Cause
she realized she can't answer that look honestly with an answer he
likes. Despite her empathy for him. Then he looked down, and kind of
sunk, then picked himself back up. A great exchange.

And not a word spoken. That's brilliant acting (and writing).

Was truly great. :)

[Tulgey Wood]

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There's interestin' times ahead, when the wife and kid arrive.
Or not, because I expect sweet and innocent Alma may be using

I noticed a lot more when I re-watched the season ender this
evening... especially that last scene with Seth on Al's balcony and
Alma opening her dress for him from her window across the way...
she *is* going to use the hell out of him. The first time through I
thought she was being romantic, but now I see the dynamics more
clearly.

He's her bitch, now. :-D (Good catch, Ms Coyote.)

"If you can read this the bitch fell off" ? Alma needs one!)

ROTFL!!

T-shirts of the Deadwood characters! We have Alma's. Calamity Jane's
says, "Don't even FUCKIN' think about it, COCKSUCKER!" Yer turn. :-D

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"If we'd had a kitchen, Sophia, after supper we'd have retired to
it, to chores and gossip on the most minute domestic matters,
while the men talked and smoked, and argued more important
matters. And, incidentally, decided our fates. If we didn't
hate them too much to be curious about the world, we'd wonder
what they'd had to say."

(I just couldn't snip this cause I love to read it over and over. It
was such a shocking scene that just sort of slithered by.)

That *is* good, isn't it. One of the great quotations of Deadwood.
Warrants framing. Or puttin' on a t-shirt. (And Molly Parker's
delivery was dead on, wasn't it?)

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Oh man, yeah! I meant to bring that up! What a killer line. Did
that make your eyeballs pop outa your head or what?

Made me realize there was more to the Alma that originally met the
eye, yeah. Oh, and my eyeballs did the popping out thing, too.
As they would. :-D

And tonight when I rewatched I realized Otis sexually abused Alma
her whole childhood. I missed that the first time. (Though I asked
myself the question when he first entered the week prior, kissed
her lips and told Elsworth: "I take the liberties of a Father." I
thought that an odd line and a buzzer went off in my head. But then
I forgot about it.) However tonight I saw it clearly. Alma was
watching the exchanges between her Father and Sophia, while he was
screwing her (Alma) over with the claim. When she finally broke,
her reaction was to get the little girl away from her Father. But
she was really rescuing herself from him. The way she couldn't when
she was that age and was totally charmed and mesmerized by him.

Or just powerless to resist him, as children are.

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And now he was raping her again -- financially this time.

In the day, women and their affairs were manipulated to serve men.
They were children, pawns, victims; they never led their own
lives--their lives were led for them, and all the while they were
patted on the head and told everything was done with their interests
at heart.

Even incest, apparently.

Yep. A justification of sickos, still.

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Joanie even saw it. Which is why she spilled her own incestuous
story to Alma... she knew there's only one reason a daughter stands
by and allows her father to be beaten nearly to death -- and it
isn't over gold. It was such an intimate moment between them... the
way Joanie was caressing Alma's forearms... and how they jumped at
the knock on the door. So we learn why Joanie prefers women..?

I don't like to think she was driven to it by some stinkin' man, but
if that's the case, she wouldn't be the first ner last.

I believe when they first devised Joanie's character they intended to
make her sharp and educated. The first ep with her in it certainly
made it seem so. But as Milch is famous for doing, they decided en
route and right after that (or shortly thereafter) that there was
some advantage to playing her more innocently and less worldly. More
of a county girl. I don't know where they're going with her, but I
liked her better when she was playing a more sophisticated version of
the character. Not that I don't like her now. I do. I just liked her
even more before. But I'm sure they have a purpose...

I hope so. I liked the original version of Joanie better, as well. Now
I think about it, she's really the most revised character on the show,
is she not?

[snip]

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Makes me think there may be a third, *true* story. Or not. In any
case, warrant or no, he may have euthanized his brother. Or
someone he loved.

That's why I wondered if we'll ever find out what happened to his
brother...

The brother may have been an anecdotal plot element, with no purpose
other than to flesh out Al's back story. Guess we'll find out as
the story progresses....

Well he (the brother) was the reason Al was empathetic to the Rev
which added a shading of humanity to our villain. :) And made the
scene of Al's mercy killing that much more meaningful in what wrapped
up a long story arc for the Rev into a nice emotional climax.

Exactly. And you know that on Deadwood, when people die, they stay that
way. None of this dying and popping back up like on Xena and Buffy and
the like. :-D

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Seems Trixie is missing Al a little... or feeling empathetic towards
him after he had to kill the Rev. Did you notice how when Al is
eating peaches at the bar and Trixie appears in the b.g. along with
the Doc, and Trixie says, "Hi Doc," but she's looking at Al's back
instead. Doc lools at Al, then back at Trixie... but the camera
stays square on Al, who stops for a sec at the sound of Trixie's
voice, then instructs Dan to do something and walks off without
acknowledging her. She watches him go.

Yeah, I wonder what's going on with Trixie. We know Al loves her,
and we know Sol fancies her (and may respect her more than he would
a "common" ho), but it's Trixie who's the enigma.

I think she feels both things -- an attraction for Sol who respects
her. The offering or tantalyzing chance for a normal life. But then
she knows that can't happen. So she looks back to her reality and she
sees Al. And b/c Trixie is a caring person by nature, she empathizes
to a degree with him. Especially now b/c she knows he's trying to
change [b/c normally he would have beat the shit out of her for far
less]. She's just being a woman... coping with very difficult
circumstances as best she can and reacting to the men around her and
their pulls on her.

And doing quite well, in the circumstances. The only women in Deadwood
seem to be whores. There's Jewel. There may be some Chinese laundry
women, too. But IAC, they're all workin' gals. There were some
squarehead housewives, but they didn't last the drive through town.
There was Jane, but she's only a woman by half (who was it described her
that way, Al?). Then came Alma, and she adapted and lives in Deadwood
on her own terms (with a little help from a lot of gold). Thinking
about Seth's missus...she'll have to be a workin' gal (not a ho or a
laundress, but maybe a school marm with a class of two: her kid and the
LSG), or a survivor on her own terms (without any help from a lot of
gold, so by necessity she'll have to be a bitch), or she'll get dead
real fast. :-D

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That smile she gave him at the end was genuine. She knows she hurt
him and she feels bad. Another thing I realized.... she slept with
Sol when Al allowed Trixie half a day off to enjoy herself ... he
suggested she go visit the child, "sally fucking forth" <LOL! Loved
that line!>

LOL!! Yeah. :-D

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... and she went to another man instead. This was part of his plan
to win her by being nice rather than by force. (I spoke about this
before... how after she tried to kill herself he realized he had to
control her some other way than by force.)

Oooh, this sounds a bit parallel to Cy and Joanie, don't it? =O I
don't think I'm smelling "formula" just yet, so the parallel must be
intentional.

I don't see a parallel except that Cy loves and wants Joanie... and Al
loves and wants Trixie. But that's hardly a parallel... every str8
man loves and wants some woman. <g>

You said above, "after she tried to kill herself he realized he had to
control her some other way than by force." That applies to Al and
Trixie *and* Cy and Joanie. A parallel story line.

[Calamity Coyote ()]

Re: Seth

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He's her bitch, now. :-D (Good catch, Ms Coyote.)

"If you can read this the bitch fell off" ? Alma needs one!)

ROTFL!!
T-shirts of the Deadwood characters! We have Alma's. Calamity Jane's
says, "Don't even FUCKIN' think about it, COCKSUCKER!" Yer turn. :-D

Al: "Sally fuckin' forth!"

[...]

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I believe when they first devised Joanie's character they intended to
make her sharp and educated. The first ep with her in it certainly
made it seem so. But as Milch is famous for doing, they decided en
route and right after that (or shortly thereafter) that there was
some advantage to playing her more innocently and less worldly. More
of a county girl. I don't know where they're going with her, but I
liked her better when she was playing a more sophisticated version of
the character. Not that I don't like her now. I do. I just liked her
even more before. But I'm sure they have a purpose...

I hope so. I liked the original version of Joanie better, as well. Now
I think about it, she's really the most revised character on the show,
is she not?

Seems like it to me.

[...]

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Seems Trixie is missing Al a little... or feeling empathetic towards
him after he had to kill the Rev. Did you notice how when Al is
eating peaches at the bar and Trixie appears in the b.g. along with
the Doc, and Trixie says, "Hi Doc," but she's looking at Al's back
instead. Doc lools at Al, then back at Trixie... but the camera
stays square on Al, who stops for a sec at the sound of Trixie's
voice, then instructs Dan to do something and walks off without
acknowledging her. She watches him go.

Yeah, I wonder what's going on with Trixie. We know Al loves her,
and we know Sol fancies her (and may respect her more than he would
a "common" ho), but it's Trixie who's the enigma.

I think she feels both things -- an attraction for Sol who respects
her. The offering or tantalyzing chance for a normal life. But then
she knows that can't happen. So she looks back to her reality and she
sees Al. And b/c Trixie is a caring person by nature, she empathizes
to a degree with him. Especially now b/c she knows he's trying to
change [b/c normally he would have beat the shit out of her for far
less]. She's just being a woman... coping with very difficult
circumstances as best she can and reacting to the men around her and
their pulls on her.

And doing quite well, in the circumstances. The only women in Deadwood
seem to be whores. There's Jewel. There may be some Chinese laundry
women, too. But IAC, they're all workin' gals. There were some
squarehead housewives, but they didn't last the drive through town.
There was Jane, but she's only a woman by half (who was it described her
that way, Al?). Then came Alma, and she adapted and lives in Deadwood
on her own terms (with a little help from a lot of gold). Thinking
about Seth's missus...she'll have to be a workin' gal (not a ho or a
laundress, but maybe a school marm with a class of two: her kid and the
LSG), or a survivor on her own terms (without any help from a lot of
gold, so by necessity she'll have to be a bitch), or she'll get dead
real fast. :-D

It'll be really interesting to see who plays her and what her m.o. is.

[...]

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That smile she gave him at the end was genuine. She knows she hurt
him and she feels bad. Another thing I realized.... she slept with
Sol when Al allowed Trixie half a day off to enjoy herself ... he
suggested she go visit the child, "sally fucking forth" <LOL! Loved
that line!>

LOL!! Yeah. :-D

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... and she went to another man instead. This was part of his plan
to win her by being nice rather than by force. (I spoke about this
before... how after she tried to kill herself he realized he had to
control her some other way than by force.)

Oooh, this sounds a bit parallel to Cy and Joanie, don't it? =O I
don't think I'm smelling "formula" just yet, so the parallel must be
intentional.

I don't see a parallel except that Cy loves and wants Joanie... and Al
loves and wants Trixie. But that's hardly a parallel... every str8
man loves and wants some woman. <g>

You said above, "after she tried to kill herself he realized he had to
control her some other way than by force." That applies to Al and
Trixie *and* Cy and Joanie. A parallel story line.

? Maybe inversed. Cy has never hit Joanie or been physically abusive.
He's kept her there by his slithery charm (b/c she didn't have anywhere
better to go to), hoping she would fall in love with him. Al, OTOH,
never expected (or even wanted) anyone's love. Just someone to fuck. And
he beat the shit out of Trixie and threatened her life with regularity.
Until he realized if he stuck with that path he'd lose her. Cy realized
he was going to lose Joanie too, so I see what you're saying, but the
details of the relationships and of course the characters are different
enough that I don't really see it as being too parallel.

Coyote

[Tulgey Wood]

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Re: Seth

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He's her bitch, now. :-D (Good catch, Ms Coyote.)

"If you can read this the bitch fell off" ? Alma needs one!)

ROTFL!!
T-shirts of the Deadwood characters! We have Alma's. Calamity
Jane's says, "Don't even FUCKIN' think about it, COCKSUCKER!" Yer
turn. :-D

Al: "Sally fuckin' forth!"

LOL!! Good one. Now, do it again without using a direct quotation (see
Alma's and Jane's shirts, above).

[snip]

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The only women in Deadwood seem to be whores. There's Jewel. There
may be some Chinese laundry women, too. But IAC, they're all
workin' gals. There were some squarehead housewives, but they
didn't last the drive through town. There was Jane, but she's only a
woman by half (who was it described her that way, Al?). Then came
Alma, and she adapted and lives in Deadwood on her own terms (with a
little help from a lot of gold). Thinking about Seth's
missus...she'll have to be a workin' gal (not a ho or a laundress,
but maybe a school marm with a class of two: her kid and the LSG),
or a survivor on her own terms (without any help from a lot of gold,
so by necessity she'll have to be a bitch), or she'll get dead real
fast. :-D

It'll be really interesting to see who plays her and what her m.o. is.

The possibilities are endless, but for some reason I'm seeing an old
shriveled shrew...played by an actor with the combined qualities of
Bette Davis, Agnes Moorehead, and Lily Tomlin. :-D

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That smile she gave him at the end was genuine. She knows she hurt
him and she feels bad. Another thing I realized.... she slept
with Sol when Al allowed Trixie half a day off to enjoy herself
... he suggested she go visit the child, "sally fucking forth"
<LOL! Loved that line!>

LOL!! Yeah. :-D

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... and she went to another man instead. This was part of his plan
to win her by being nice rather than by force. (I spoke about
this before... how after she tried to kill herself he realized he
had to control her some other way than by force.)

Oooh, this sounds a bit parallel to Cy and Joanie, don't it? =O I
don't think I'm smelling "formula" just yet, so the parallel must
be intentional.

I don't see a parallel except that Cy loves and wants Joanie... and
Al loves and wants Trixie. But that's hardly a parallel... every
str8 man loves and wants some woman. <g>

You said above, "after she tried to kill herself he realized he had
to control her some other way than by force." That applies to Al
and Trixie *and* Cy and Joanie. A parallel story line.

? Maybe inversed. Cy has never hit Joanie or been physically abusive.
He's kept her there by his slithery charm (b/c she didn't have
anywhere better to go to), hoping she would fall in love with him.
Al, OTOH, never expected (or even wanted) anyone's love. Just someone
to fuck. And he beat the shit out of Trixie and threatened her life
with regularity. Until he realized if he stuck with that path he'd
lose her. Cy realized he was going to lose Joanie too, so I see what
you're saying, but the details of the relationships and of course the
characters are different enough that I don't really see it as being
too parallel.

No, no. Surface, sweetie, surface. Your comment, "...after she tried
to kill herself he realized he had to control her some other way than by
force" applies to both Joanie/Cy and Trixie/Al on the surface.

[Calamity Coyote ()]

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Re: Seth

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He's her bitch, now. :-D (Good catch, Ms Coyote.)

"If you can read this the bitch fell off" ? Alma needs one!)

ROTFL!!
T-shirts of the Deadwood characters! We have Alma's. Calamity
Jane's says, "Don't even FUCKIN' think about it, COCKSUCKER!" Yer
turn. :-D

Al: "Sally fuckin' forth!"

LOL!! Good one. Now, do it again without using a direct quotation (see
Alma's and Jane's shirts, above).

LMAO!!! That's too funny. <G>

::squints eyes and thinks real hard::
::smoke rises from ears::
::lips screw up::
::cheeks redden::

::FLUSH!::

Can't do quotation filk. Can only hear his direct voice.

[...]

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... and she went to another man instead. This was part of his plan
to win her by being nice rather than by force. (I spoke about
this before... how after she tried to kill herself he realized he
had to control her some other way than by force.)

Oooh, this sounds a bit parallel to Cy and Joanie, don't it? =O I
don't think I'm smelling "formula" just yet, so the parallel must
be intentional.

I don't see a parallel except that Cy loves and wants Joanie... and
Al loves and wants Trixie. But that's hardly a parallel... every
str8 man loves and wants some woman. <g>

You said above, "after she tried to kill herself he realized he had
to control her some other way than by force." That applies to Al
and Trixie *and* Cy and Joanie. A parallel story line.

? Maybe inversed. Cy has never hit Joanie or been physically abusive.
He's kept her there by his slithery charm (b/c she didn't have
anywhere better to go to), hoping she would fall in love with him.
Al, OTOH, never expected (or even wanted) anyone's love. Just someone
to fuck. And he beat the shit out of Trixie and threatened her life
with regularity. Until he realized if he stuck with that path he'd
lose her. Cy realized he was going to lose Joanie too, so I see what
you're saying, but the details of the relationships and of course the
characters are different enough that I don't really see it as being
too parallel.

No, no. Surface, sweetie, surface. Your comment, "...after she tried
to kill herself he realized he had to control her some other way than by
force" applies to both Joanie/Cy and Trixie/Al on the surface.

But Cy never controlled Joanie by force. Cy's m.o. has not changed an
iota whereas Al's behavior has changed. Trixie was stunned when he
didn't beat her after he found out she slept with Sol. OTOH Joanie
didn't bat an eye when Cy "started working a new angle" of pretending
to give her a little rein - b/c she knows Cy isn't sincere. So Cy's
"gesture" was not seen as genuine, whereas Al's behavior towards
Trixie was seen as sincere by Trixie... which both shocked her and
made her feel... well... we saw the myriad of emotions that swam
across her face in the last scene of the season ender.

I can see the obvious comparison of two villains controlling two
whores that work for them, but beyond that it seems if anything they
tried to mirror the situations with dynamics that are polar to keep
the Cy/Joanie Al/Trixie storylines as different from one another as
possible. Maybe b/c they know smarty-knicker people like you will see
the similarities. ;)

Calamity Coyote

[Tulgey Wood]

In message <news:***@4ax.com>, Calamity
Coyote wrote:

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Al (to Jewel): So why'd you go see the Doc?
Jewel: I'm knocked up.

ROTFL!! Even though I'm fully aware that "knocked up" is the American
for up the spout, I didn't get the joke until just now. I thought Jewel
meant someone had knocked her up to send her off to her doctor's
appointment. <snort> (Now, *that's* almost as funny as the joke.):-D

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Doc (to Jewel): I wouldn't want to do anything to fuck you up.
Jewel: We wouldn't want thaaat!
LOL... I love that they are even giving Jewel a storyline instead of
just being a b.g. character.

I reckoned they might, after they gave Mr Wu a story line. Remember
early on when Al referred to Mr Wu as The Chinaman and to Jewel as The
Gimp? When The Chinaman turned up with a name, I thought that might be
an indication that The Gimp would, too, at some point.

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And what did you think of Al's little talk with Sol? At first I thought
he was just ranting as usual, then I realized he was talking about
himself and how Sol was fucking with the one person he has for
respite... the one he can lay down with and "tell half the truth to"...
the one who isn't out to steal or murder him. He was saying it all as if
he understands why SOL would want that, but he was really saying, "She's
my woman, so if you want to sleep with her, you're gonna fuck her like a
whore and pay me." IOW, 'nothing personal.'

Yep, he was drawing his boundaries, you know, like dogs piss on things
to mark their territory.

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They did a lot of explaining last ep... recapping what had happened as
if they felt the audience hadn't been able to follow along. And Seth is
bugging me some now... how he gets so self-righteous...

Besides which, he walks like he's got a rod up his arse. Notice that?

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going to Al to complain that the town shouldn't have a sherrif b/c
he's bringing his wife and child out. So the hell what. He's not the
only damn person who lives there.

Maybe the wife and child have rap sheets and their pictures displayed at
the post office. :-D

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(Not that I care if the town has a sherrif or not.) But I also didn't
understand why he was mad at the guy they made sherrif, just b/c he
was sitting at the table where Bill died. That guy never did anything
wrong or bad (that we know of anyway).

He wasn't mad at him. The guy is one of the low-lifes who hung with
Bullet Wrist. Seth considers him an opportunistic, self-aggrandizing
scum bag.

[Calamity Coyote ()]

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Al (to Jewel): So why'd you go see the Doc?
Jewel: I'm knocked up.

ROTFL!! Even though I'm fully aware that "knocked up" is the American
for up the spout, I didn't get the joke until just now. I thought Jewel
meant someone had knocked her up to send her off to her doctor's
appointment. <snort> (Now, *that's* almost as funny as the joke.):-D

<?> She was joking that she was pregnant. And what did you think she
meant?? (I wanna laugh too...) ;-D

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Doc (to Jewel): I wouldn't want to do anything to fuck you up.
Jewel: We wouldn't want thaaat!
LOL... I love that they are even giving Jewel a storyline instead of
just being a b.g. character.

I reckoned they might, after they gave Mr Wu a story line. Remember
early on when Al referred to Mr Wu as The Chinaman and to Jewel as The
Gimp? When The Chinaman turned up with a name, I thought that might be
an indication that The Gimp would, too, at some point.

Aren't you a smarty-knickers.

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They did a lot of explaining last ep... recapping what had happened as
if they felt the audience hadn't been able to follow along. And Seth is
bugging me some now... how he gets so self-righteous...

Besides which, he walks like he's got a rod up his arse. Notice that?

No, but I will now! ;-D

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going to Al to complain that the town shouldn't have a sherrif b/c
he's bringing his wife and child out. So the hell what. He's not the
only damn person who lives there.

Maybe the wife and child have rap sheets and their pictures displayed at
the post office. :-D

ROTFLMAO! In that case they're much more interesting than
Alma-Mama-Bo-Bana.

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(Not that I care if the town has a sherrif or not.) But I also didn't
understand why he was mad at the guy they made sherrif, just b/c he
was sitting at the table where Bill died. That guy never did anything
wrong or bad (that we know of anyway).

(Until the following episode.)

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He wasn't mad at him. The guy is one of the low-lifes who hung with
Bullet Wrist. Seth considers him an opportunistic, self-aggrandizing
scum bag.

And he was right. I guess he can smell them out. We never got that
close. We had the tele between us after all.

Calamity Coyote

[Tulgey Wood]

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Al (to Jewel): So why'd you go see the Doc?
Jewel: I'm knocked up.

ROTFL!! Even though I'm fully aware that "knocked up" is the
American for up the spout, I didn't get the joke until just now. I
thought Jewel meant someone had knocked her up to send her off to
her doctor's appointment. <snort> (Now, *that's* almost as funny as
the joke.):-D

<?> She was joking that she was pregnant.

Yeah, *now* I get it. :-P

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And what did you think she meant?? (I wanna laugh too...) ;-D

I thought she meant someone had knocked on her door to remind her she
had a doctor appointment. "Knock up" is to door as "ring up" is to
phone. It's a Brit thing...I had a cultural brain fart. :-P

[snip]

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They did a lot of explaining last ep... recapping what had happened
as if they felt the audience hadn't been able to follow along. And
Seth is bugging me some now... how he gets so self-righteous...

Besides which, he walks like he's got a rod up his arse. Notice that?

No, but I will now! ;-D

Yer welcome. :-D

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going to Al to complain that the town shouldn't have a sherrif b/c
he's bringing his wife and child out. So the hell what. He's not
the only damn person who lives there.

Maybe the wife and child have rap sheets and their pictures displayed
at the post office. :-D

ROTFLMAO! In that case they're much more interesting than
Alma-Mama-Bo-Bana.

LOL! Until she takes up with Joanie, anyway....

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(Not that I care if the town has a sherrif or not.) But I also
didn't understand why he was mad at the guy they made sherrif, just
b/c he was sitting at the table where Bill died. That guy never did
anything wrong or bad (that we know of anyway).

(Until the following episode.)

Guilt through association, already. He vas Bullet Vrist's...BOYFRIEND!!
;-P

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He wasn't mad at him. The guy is one of the low-lifes who hung with
Bullet Wrist. Seth considers him an opportunistic,
self-aggrandizing scum bag.

And he was right. I guess he can smell them out. We never got that
close. We had the tele between us after all.

He and Bullet Wrist were holding hands and playing footsie under the
table when McCall shot Hickok. Bullock sussed 'em, but I guess *you*
weren't paying attention.... ;-D

[l***@large.com]

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Al (to Jewel): So why'd you go see the Doc?
Jewel: I'm knocked up.

ROTFL!! Even though I'm fully aware that "knocked up" is the
American for up the spout, I didn't get the joke until just now. I
thought Jewel meant someone had knocked her up to send her off to
her doctor's appointment. <snort> (Now, *that's* almost as funny as
the joke.):-D

<?> She was joking that she was pregnant.

Yeah, *now* I get it. :-P

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And what did you think she meant?? (I wanna laugh too...) ;-D

I thought she meant someone had knocked on her door to remind her she
had a doctor appointment. "Knock up" is to door as "ring up" is to
phone. It's a Brit thing...I had a cultural brain fart. :-P

ROTFLMAO!!! You're funnier than *they* are!!!

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They did a lot of explaining last ep... recapping what had happened
as if they felt the audience hadn't been able to follow along. And
Seth is bugging me some now... how he gets so self-righteous...

Besides which, he walks like he's got a rod up his arse. Notice that?

No, but I will now! ;-D

Yer welcome. :-D

LOL. I kept meaning to watch for it but it kept escaping me so I guess I
don't notice it. I do notice how he always talks like his eyebrows are a
canopy he has to peek out from under.

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going to Al to complain that the town shouldn't have a sherrif b/c
he's bringing his wife and child out. So the hell what. He's not
the only damn person who lives there.

Maybe the wife and child have rap sheets and their pictures displayed
at the post office. :-D

ROTFLMAO! In that case they're much more interesting than
Alma-Mama-Bo-Bana.

LOL! Until she takes up with Joanie, anyway....

OoooOooo yeah! Lesbos beat the WANTED any day!

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(Not that I care if the town has a sherrif or not.) But I also
didn't understand why he was mad at the guy they made sherrif, just
b/c he was sitting at the table where Bill died. That guy never did
anything wrong or bad (that we know of anyway).

(Until the following episode.)

Guilt through association, already. He vas Bullet Vrist's...BOYFRIEND!!
;-P

::gag, cough sputter!:: Now THAT was an image I coulda done without my
whole life!

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He wasn't mad at him. The guy is one of the low-lifes who hung with
Bullet Wrist. Seth considers him an opportunistic,
self-aggrandizing scum bag.

And he was right. I guess he can smell them out. We never got that
close. We had the tele between us after all.

He and Bullet Wrist were holding hands and playing footsie under the
table when McCall shot Hickok. Bullock sussed 'em, but I guess *you*
weren't paying attention.... ;-D

"WAS SO!" :-P~~~~

Calamity Coyote

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(Not that I care if the town has a sherrif or not.) But I also
didn't understand why he was mad at the guy they made sherrif, just
b/c he was sitting at the table where Bill died. That guy never did
anything wrong or bad (that we know of anyway).

(Until the following episode.)

Guilt through association, already. He vas Bullet Vrist's...BOYFRIEND!!
;-P

::neiiiighhh!::

(I meant to tell you how hard I laughed at your Frau Blucher/YF
reference.) :-D

Btw, it wasn't that I was ignoring the bits about Bullet Wrist, it was
just that he wasn't really "a bad guy" either. Just an annoying,
useless, pandering idiot.

Oh. Okay... "Pandering idiot by association makes for a bad sheriff."

:)

[Tulgey Wood]

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(Not that I care if the town has a sherrif or not.) But I also
didn't understand why he was mad at the guy they made sherrif,
just b/c he was sitting at the table where Bill died. That guy
never did anything wrong or bad (that we know of anyway).

(Until the following episode.)

Guilt through association, already. He vas Bullet
Vrist's...BOYFRIEND!! ;-P

LOL!!

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(I meant to tell you how hard I laughed at your Frau Blucher/YF
reference.) :-D
Btw, it wasn't that I was ignoring the bits about Bullet Wrist, it was
just that he wasn't really "a bad guy" either. Just an annoying,
useless, pandering idiot.

...in a purple frock coat....

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Oh. Okay... "Pandering idiot by association makes for a bad sheriff."

That's all. :-D

[Tulgey Wood]

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Al (to Jewel): So why'd you go see the Doc?
Jewel: I'm knocked up.

ROTFL!! Even though I'm fully aware that "knocked up" is the
American for up the spout, I didn't get the joke until just now.
I thought Jewel meant someone had knocked her up to send her off
to her doctor's appointment. <snort> (Now, *that's* almost as
funny as the joke.):-D

<?> She was joking that she was pregnant.

Yeah, *now* I get it. :-P

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And what did you think she meant?? (I wanna laugh too...) ;-D

I thought she meant someone had knocked on her door to remind her she
had a doctor appointment. "Knock up" is to door as "ring up" is to
phone. It's a Brit thing...I had a cultural brain fart. :-P

ROTFLMAO!!! You're funnier than *they* are!!!

LOL!! Now *you* get it. ;-P

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They did a lot of explaining last ep... recapping what had
happened as if they felt the audience hadn't been able to follow
along. And Seth is bugging me some now... how he gets so
self-righteous...

Besides which, he walks like he's got a rod up his arse. Notice that?

No, but I will now! ;-D

Yer welcome. :-D

LOL. I kept meaning to watch for it but it kept escaping me so I guess
I don't notice it.

He's immobile from the waist up, but from the waist down, he's
practically doing Abe Kabbible tap step.

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I do notice how he always talks like his eyebrows are a canopy he has
to peek out from under.

He holds his head like he's got a bead on something he's about to fold
over and ram. Strange-movin' man, our Seth. :-D

[Calamity Coyote ()]

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They did a lot of explaining last ep... recapping what had
happened as if they felt the audience hadn't been able to follow
along. And Seth is bugging me some now... how he gets so
self-righteous...

Besides which, he walks like he's got a rod up his arse. Notice that?

No, but I will now! ;-D

Yer welcome. :-D

LOL. I kept meaning to watch for it but it kept escaping me so I guess
I don't notice it.

He's immobile from the waist up, but from the waist down, he's
practically doing Abe Kabbible tap step.

ROTF!! Now that you mention it. (Wolf heartily agrees.) I guess he
*does* do that. LOL.

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I do notice how he always talks like his eyebrows are a canopy he has
to peek out from under.

He holds his head like he's got a bead on something he's about to fold
over and ram. Strange-movin' man, our Seth. :-D

Part of what makes him Seth. :) I'm making fun of him but I like him.
Hey... I wonder who'll play his wife and how long it will take her to
catch on to Alma? What do you think her personality will be like? Wolf
was thinking they'll make her real sweet to gain sympathy for her since
Seth isn't in love with her and will be cheating on her. But I'm
thinking she's gonna be a real bitch... the kind of woman that walks in
and takes over... cause we don't have a female character like that on
the show yet. She might be another they set up to hate... so that you
wish Seth would dump her ass, but he won't out of obligation, she
therefore having him over a barrel. And she'll figure out Alma right
away and who knows... maybe rather than bust her she'll say "You can use
my husband but it must remain our little secret and you will pay me for
the favor. Handsomely." So Alma has to channel gold away from her claim
to Mrs. Seth so she can keep Mr. Seth in her bed/sexual grip... Seth
will be whored out to Alma for a price! Wonderfully wicked!!

Calamity Coyote (carried away by my own imagination...)

[Tulgey Wood]

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They did a lot of explaining last ep... recapping what had
happened as if they felt the audience hadn't been able to
follow along. And Seth is bugging me some now... how he gets so
self-righteous...

Besides which, he walks like he's got a rod up his arse. Notice that?

No, but I will now! ;-D

Yer welcome. :-D

LOL. I kept meaning to watch for it but it kept escaping me so I
guess I don't notice it.

He's immobile from the waist up, but from the waist down, he's
practically doing Abe Kabbible tap step.

ROTF!! Now that you mention it. (Wolf heartily agrees.) I guess he
*does* do that. LOL.

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I do notice how he always talks like his eyebrows are a canopy he
has to peek out from under.

He holds his head like he's got a bead on something he's about to
fold over and ram. Strange-movin' man, our Seth. :-D

Part of what makes him Seth. :) I'm making fun of him but I like him.

Well, yeah, so do I. He's a likable guy...just *walks* a little queeny.
:-D

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Hey... I wonder who'll play his wife

Karina Lombard. <snort!>

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and how long it will take her to catch on to Alma?

About as long as it takes Alma to catch on to *her*, I reckon.

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What do you think her personality will be like? Wolf was thinking
they'll make her real sweet to gain sympathy for her since Seth isn't
in love with her and will be cheating on her. But I'm thinking she's
gonna be a real bitch... the kind of woman that walks in and takes
over... cause we don't have a female character like that on the show
yet.

Maybe because that sort of female persona would have been censured, in
the day. A bitchy, ball-bustin' female would have had to operate
outside the bounds of femininity, much as Calamity Jane did. If Seth's
wife isn't sweet and submissive, then she'll likely be scheming and
treacherous in a totally unexpected sort of way. Maybe she *does* have
a rap sheet, so to speak. Maybe Seth's constant mention that his wife
and child were on their way was a warning, an admonition, rather than an
excuse, a justification. (Run away! Run away!)

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She might be another they set up to hate... so that you wish Seth
would dump her ass, but he won't out of obligation, she therefore
having him over a barrel. And she'll figure out Alma right away and
who knows... maybe rather than bust her she'll say "You can use my
husband but it must remain our little secret and you will pay me for
the favor. Handsomely." So Alma has to channel gold away from her
claim to Mrs. Seth so she can keep Mr. Seth in her bed/sexual grip...
Seth will be whored out to Alma for a price! Wonderfully wicked!!

Love it! :-) And to make matters more convoluted, she may even throw in
with Cy....

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Calamity Coyote (carried away by my own imagination...)

Necessary, during hiatuses. :-)

[Calamity Coyote ()]

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He holds his head like he's got a bead on something he's about to
fold over and ram. Strange-movin' man, our Seth. :-D

Part of what makes him Seth. :) I'm making fun of him but I like him.

Well, yeah, so do I. He's a likable guy...just *walks* a little queeny.
:-D

ROTF. I haven't had any time to rewatch an ep this week... I wonder when
it's getting taken off OD. (Bound is on right now, or I'd check...)

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Hey... I wonder who'll play his wife

Karina Lombard. <snort!>

ROTF! She'd actually play that part well. Quiet, reserved, stilted.
Repressed.

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and how long it will take her to catch on to Alma?

About as long as it takes Alma to catch on to *her*, I reckon.

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What do you think her personality will be like? Wolf was thinking
they'll make her real sweet to gain sympathy for her since Seth isn't
in love with her and will be cheating on her. But I'm thinking she's
gonna be a real bitch... the kind of woman that walks in and takes
over... cause we don't have a female character like that on the show
yet.

Maybe because that sort of female persona would have been censured, in
the day.

No way. They existed. They were just not considered ladylike. :)

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A bitchy, ball-bustin' female would have had to operate
outside the bounds of femininity, much as Calamity Jane did.

Not really. The bitchy "aristocratic" attitude of dressing and acting
properly but being totally controlling -- the Danger Liaisons type.
Strong women have always existed. They just weren't in fashion. <g>

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If Seth's
wife isn't sweet and submissive, then she'll likely be scheming and
treacherous in a totally unexpected sort of way. Maybe she *does* have
a rap sheet, so to speak. Maybe Seth's constant mention that his wife
and child were on their way was a warning, an admonition, rather than an
excuse, a justification. (Run away! Run away!)

Can't wait to see what they cook up!

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She might be another they set up to hate... so that you wish Seth
would dump her ass, but he won't out of obligation, she therefore
having him over a barrel. And she'll figure out Alma right away and
who knows... maybe rather than bust her she'll say "You can use my
husband but it must remain our little secret and you will pay me for
the favor. Handsomely." So Alma has to channel gold away from her
claim to Mrs. Seth so she can keep Mr. Seth in her bed/sexual grip...
Seth will be whored out to Alma for a price! Wonderfully wicked!!

Love it! :-) And to make matters more convoluted, she may even throw in
with Cy....

Oh-ho-ho... that's wicked. No... methinks she'll be too smart to throw
in with him. But she might play him for all he's worth. If she does
though, she will likely have to die at some point. What's interesting is
that Al has something over on Seth now -- he knows Seth is having an
affair with Alma behind his wife's back.

Coyote

[Tulgey Wood]

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[Re Seth:]

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Hey... I wonder who'll play his wife

Karina Lombard. <snort!>

ROTF! She'd actually play that part well. Quiet, reserved, stilted.
Repressed.

Opposite to Marina, you mean? Do you think KL has that much range? :-D

[snip]

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What do you think her personality will be like? Wolf was thinking
they'll make her real sweet to gain sympathy for her since Seth
isn't in love with her and will be cheating on her. But I'm
thinking she's gonna be a real bitch... the kind of woman that
walks in and takes over... cause we don't have a female character
like that on the show yet.

Maybe because that sort of female persona would have been censured,
in the day.

No way. They existed. They were just not considered ladylike. :)

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A bitchy, ball-bustin' female would have had to operate outside the
bounds of femininity, much as Calamity Jane did.

Not really. The bitchy "aristocratic" attitude of dressing and acting
properly but being totally controlling -- the Danger Liaisons type.
Strong women have always existed. They just weren't in fashion. <g>

That's what she'll be then. That, or a total wuss who comes down with
the vapors at the sight of mud and the smell of horse manure, and spends
her entire stay ensconced with her little brat in the penthouse of EB's
hotel, nauseated to her toenails and without a second thought for Seth.
:-D

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If Seth's wife isn't sweet and submissive, then she'll likely be
scheming and treacherous in a totally unexpected sort of way. Maybe
she *does* have a rap sheet, so to speak. Maybe Seth's constant
mention that his wife and child were on their way was a warning, an
admonition, rather than an excuse, a justification. (Run away! Run
away!)

Can't wait to see what they cook up!

I'm sure we won't be disappointed, whatever may come.

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She might be another they set up to hate... so that you wish Seth
would dump her ass, but he won't out of obligation, she therefore
having him over a barrel. And she'll figure out Alma right away and
who knows... maybe rather than bust her she'll say "You can use my
husband but it must remain our little secret and you will pay me
for the favor. Handsomely." So Alma has to channel gold away from
her claim to Mrs. Seth so she can keep Mr. Seth in her bed/sexual
grip... Seth will be whored out to Alma for a price! Wonderfully
wicked!!

Love it! :-) And to make matters more convoluted, she may even throw
in with Cy....

Oh-ho-ho... that's wicked. No... methinks she'll be too smart to throw
in with him. But she might play him for all he's worth. If she does
though, she will likely have to die at some point. What's interesting
is that Al has something over on Seth now -- he knows Seth is having
an affair with Alma behind his wife's back.

Yes, the plot thickens. (Season two can't get here fast enough!)

[Calamity Coyote ()]

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[Re Seth:]

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Hey... I wonder who'll play his wife

Karina Lombard. <snort!>

ROTF! She'd actually play that part well. Quiet, reserved, stilted.
Repressed.

Opposite to Marina, you mean? Do you think KL has that much range? :-D

Long as she wakes up feeling like herself. <g>

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What do you think her personality will be like? Wolf was thinking
they'll make her real sweet to gain sympathy for her since Seth
isn't in love with her and will be cheating on her. But I'm
thinking she's gonna be a real bitch... the kind of woman that
walks in and takes over... cause we don't have a female character
like that on the show yet.

Maybe because that sort of female persona would have been censured,
in the day.

No way. They existed. They were just not considered ladylike. :)

Post by Tulgey Wood
A bitchy, ball-bustin' female would have had to operate outside the
bounds of femininity, much as Calamity Jane did.

Not really. The bitchy "aristocratic" attitude of dressing and acting
properly but being totally controlling -- the Danger Liaisons type.
Strong women have always existed. They just weren't in fashion. <g>

That's what she'll be then. That, or a total wuss who comes down with
the vapors at the sight of mud and the smell of horse manure, and spends
her entire stay ensconced with her little brat in the penthouse of EB's
hotel, nauseated to her toenails and without a second thought for Seth.
:-D

But that's kind of what Alma was while Eli was alive. I mean Brahm.

Like you said, whoever she is she's bound to be a delight one way or
another. Either we'll love to love her, or we'll love to hate her.
Either way we'll love it. ;)

It's a rotten shame we have to wait so long... I think I'll email the
site tomorrow and tell them to put together a Making Of Deadwood
special for us. :) (Actually I just remembered they already made one
and I watched it *before* the season started! But I can't recall if
any of the actors were in it b/c I wouldn't have known who they were
yet to remember them. I remember they talked a lot about how they
built the set after the real Deadwood in meticulous detail, and how
the costumes and characters and all were carefully reproduced... and I
do remember someone talking about David Milch and how great he was to
work for because he allowed the characters to evolve en route rather
than stick to a vision *he* had... so that would mean there *had* to
be some actors talking!)

This is even better...! I can write to the site and ask that they put
the Making Of Deadwood back on Demand for fans who didn't catch it
prior to the series airing! And I KNOW they'll listen to one email. ;)

Calamity Coyote