First time watcher

Post by kat_oneofmany
The L Word showed here in Oz, Wednesday evening.
I must admit I found it boring, and wondered if they were catering to
mainly a straight male audience.

The consensus.

Post by kat_oneofmany
Gorgeous woman - no way you would
find that many good woman anywhere - so typicaly fantasy land America.

Fantasy, not. In the US, gorgeous women run in packs. It's one of the
deadlies they warn about in tourist guides. :-P

Post by kat_oneofmany
In the first episode you have a woman off-put by her attraction to a
woman who then goes home and sucks her guy's cock. ...Now, one time
that sort of thing wouldn't be shown at all on tv. Some how I wondered
if it was a big 'fuck you' to lesbians - cock sucking done by woman
with the connotation of low class slut. Yeah, I know it's getting all
the rage - but it still has the connotation of demeaning yourself to a
man. So hardly pro-woman. And on a show that I thought might be a
little pro woman - didn't think it was necessary -at all-.

Also, the consensus.

Post by kat_oneofmany
And what's with the weird observations regarding Shane's nipples. A
straight guy had to have made that up.

Don't recall any weird comments about Shane's nips, but honestly, it's
nearly impossible to keep track of all the bits that seemed to have been
written by straight males.

Post by kat_oneofmany
To be honest I found the
attaction between Seven-of Nine and Janeway to be more sexy than what
was on that show.

TLW does have its moments, though far and few between. And IMO, subtext
does get tiresome after a point.

Post by kat_oneofmany
I don't think this will be anything more than light fluff and
no-sense. I would of liked to seen something with a bit more substance
and a promise of a good series.

Again, the consensus. Welcome to the club. :-)

TA152H

2004-04-03 22:07:34 UTC

If they are gorgeous, I am blind.

They are marginally attractive. None of them would stop you in your tracks
if you saw them in real life. I doubt I would even find any of them
attractive enough to ask out, except for Shane.

Everyone knows it is not real, so send in the sexpots and make it more
enjoyable. Fantasy is better than reality. Reality has too many
limitations. Why impose them on a show that can just as easily ignore them
and be more enjoyable.

I agree it is for a straight male audience, but I suspect women like it too.
I think they have to make up their minds about where they want to go with it
though. The sex scenes are horrible. Either improve them or just get rid
of them. They add nothing to the show and serve more as commercials in the
sense you go and get something from the fridge or what-not. Who walks away
from porn queens in girl-girl action? Only male gays.

Post by Tulgey Wood

Post by kat_oneofmany
The L Word showed here in Oz, Wednesday evening.
I must admit I found it boring, and wondered if they were catering to
mainly a straight male audience.

The consensus.

Post by kat_oneofmany
Gorgeous woman - no way you would
find that many good woman anywhere - so typicaly fantasy land America.

Fantasy, not. In the US, gorgeous women run in packs. It's one of the
deadlies they warn about in tourist guides. :-P

Also, the consensus.

Post by kat_oneofmany
And what's with the weird observations regarding Shane's nipples. A
straight guy had to have made that up.

Don't recall any weird comments about Shane's nips, but honestly, it's
nearly impossible to keep track of all the bits that seemed to have been
written by straight males.

Post by kat_oneofmany
To be honest I found the
attaction between Seven-of Nine and Janeway to be more sexy than what
was on that show.

TLW does have its moments, though far and few between. And IMO, subtext
does get tiresome after a point.

Post by kat_oneofmany
I don't think this will be anything more than light fluff and
no-sense. I would of liked to seen something with a bit more substance
and a promise of a good series.

Again, the consensus. Welcome to the club. :-)

Ltcomdr

2004-04-04 17:50:13 UTC

Post by TA152H
If they are gorgeous, I am blind.
They are marginally attractive. They are marginally attractive. None
of them would stop you in your tracks
if you saw them in real life. I doubt I would even find any of them
attractive enough to ask out, except for Shane.

Holy crap! I have to wonder who would turn your head? (besides Shane)

I personally am completely smitten with Tina (I know, I know, it takes
all kinds).

And I'm really enjoying the Bette + Tina storyline, the whole 7 year
itch thing. But I could kick Bette's arse at the minute!

Post by TA152H
Everyone knows it is not real, so send in the sexpots and make it more
enjoyable. Fantasy is better than reality. Reality has too many
limitations. Why impose them on a show that can just as easily ignore
them and be more enjoyable.

Personally I think it would be crap if they choose to be 'Real' I mean
where's the fun in that? Do any other shows (that want to be successful)
do that?

Post by TA152H
The sex scenes are horrible. They add nothing to the show and serve
more as commercials in the sense you go and get something from the
fridge or what-not. Who walks away from porn queens in girl-girl
action? Only male gays.

RAOTFLMAO!!

TA152H

2004-04-04 20:54:49 UTC

Even Shane would not turn my head. I would think she was attractive enough
to date.

I am not saying the are dogs or anything like that, but I think they decided
to go with only somewhat attractive females to make it more realistic. I
say throw out reality and bring in the sexpots.

Head turners would include actresses like Charlize Theron, Sharon Stone 10
years ago, Denise Richards, etc... There are more than few porn queens that
would too, but I am not that familiar with their names besides Jenna
Jameson. Also, you see some of these bombshells on the softcore porn crap
that they throw on late at night, but that are so boringly bad you just pass
right over them. If you put these babes in a decent storyline, I think you
get the best of both worlds.

Let me ask you, are you smitten with Tina because of her apperance or
because of her gentle/sensitive/caring/affectionate demeanor? It is only my
opinion, but she is not really attractive physically, but her character is
so appealing that people may react to that more. I would leave her, I agree
she is very well cast and I am not sure a sexpot would be appropriate there.

But, for example, Shane. I mean, she is a total swine and someone like
Jenna Jameson in that role would be perfect. Not that Shane is not
attractive, I think she is the most of the group, but Jenna Jameson is
extremely sexy, and a real lesbian to boot. Her sex scenes with girls would
be more realistic and hotter because of that. The bisexual girl, who is
infinitely forgettable to me, is the one I would like to see replaced the
most.

Have you noticed that a lot of the sex scenes, if not all, involve some
pretty aggressive kissing, etc... right off. In your personal life, is that
the case with people you first make love to? It seems unusual to me, and I
think it is because these girls are not lesbians and are just putting on a
bad act. I doubt they practice in real life either, so it will not get any
better. Send in Jenna!

Holy crap! I have to wonder who would turn your head? (besides Shane)
I personally am completely smitten with Tina (I know, I know, it takes
all kinds).
And I'm really enjoying the Bette + Tina storyline, the whole 7 year
itch thing. But I could kick Bette's arse at the minute!

Personally I think it would be crap if they choose to be 'Real' I mean
where's the fun in that? Do any other shows (that want to be successful)
do that?

RAOTFLMAO!!

Ltcomdr

2004-04-12 00:47:59 UTC

Post by TA152H
Let me ask you, are you smitten with Tina because of her apperance or
because of her gentle/sensitive/caring/affectionate demeanor? It is
only my opinion, but she is not really attractive physically, but her
character is so appealing that people may react to that more. I would
leave her, I agree she is very well cast and I am not sure a sexpot
would be appropriate there.

I'd say it's a combination - yes the role of Tina has a very "gentle/
sensitive/caring/affectionate demeanor" to it but I do think that Laurel
Holloman is physically attractive too. So it's a win/win situation for me.
:)

l***@large.com

2004-04-05 00:54:58 UTC

Post by Ltcomdr
I personally am completely smitten with Tina (I know, I know, it takes
all kinds).

I think Tina is a doll too (when they aren't writing her to be weak),
and Bette (Jennifer Beals) is gorgeous. Alice is charming and so she has
her own kind of attraction, and Shane's dry, cool vibe is also fun,
though imo she's too thin. Dana is very nice looking in a sporty kind
of way, especially when she's not dolled up... the glam look suits her
too. And Jenny is absa absa lutely beautiful physically (except she's
too thin too, but she's small boned and tiny so she can get away with it
more). But those eyes... that face... she's a beauty. And lots of people
find Marina/Karina hot.

The *last* thing I would want on this show is a porn queen. These women
are classy and have made great sacrifices to be on this show and help
destigmatize lesbians and bisexuals to the world. I only wish the
writers (who are sincerely trying, I'm sure, no matter how we feel about
the result) were writing a better show for them. But it's not as bad as
it could be. It's just not _good_. It lacks. Too bad!

TA152H

2004-04-05 02:57:23 UTC

So, you think putting heterosexual actresses in homosexual roles dignifies
gays? How can that make sense?

Obviously a porno queen would not act like one in this show. Like I said,
it is easier to teach someone to act than it is to teach them to be
beautiful, or be a lesbian.

In terms of physical beauty, Jenna Jameson puts these girls to shame. There
is nothing anyone in the world can do about that. On the other hand, you
could direct her to act less "slutty" and she would be fine.

In the end, this is not about gay rights or anything else for that matter.
It is about entertainment. Prettier girls would be more entertaining, and a
woman who actually is a lesbian is going to be more believable than someone
who is not. It is just not something that is easy to fake, as this show
clearly displays.

Bring in the babes!

Post by Ltcomdr
I personally am completely smitten with Tina (I know, I know, it takes
all kinds).

I think Tina is a doll too (when they aren't writing her to be weak),
and Bette (Jennifer Beals) is gorgeous. Alice is charming and so she has
her own kind of attraction, and Shane's dry, cool vibe is also fun,
though imo she's too thin. Dana is very nice looking in a sporty kind
of way, especially when she's not dolled up... the glam look suits her
too. And Jenny is absa absa lutely beautiful physically (except she's
too thin too, but she's small boned and tiny so she can get away with it
more). But those eyes... that face... she's a beauty. And lots of people
find Marina/Karina hot.
The *last* thing I would want on this show is a porn queen. These women
are classy and have made great sacrifices to be on this show and help
destigmatize lesbians and bisexuals to the world. I only wish the
writers (who are sincerely trying, I'm sure, no matter how we feel about
the result) were writing a better show for them. But it's not as bad as
it could be. It's just not _good_. It lacks. Too bad!

l***@large.com

2004-04-05 03:20:41 UTC

Post by TA152H
So, you think putting heterosexual actresses in homosexual roles dignifies
gays? [...]

No, and I said nothing of the sort. Gays don't need anyone to "dignify
them."

This is a show and they hired actors to play the roles and the actors
they hired are doing a fine job _of what they are given._ They cannot
play sexual scenes that are not written for them. Of the intimate scenes
we've seen they have been rather peripherally physical without showing a
whole lot of anything. The actors have nothing to do with that -- they
are following a script. Perhaps what you want, then, is a porn star to
write it. Or maybe you should just watch porn instead.

TA152H

2004-04-05 05:04:11 UTC

A script does not tell girls how to kiss, or how to engage in "affection".
Obviously females who prefer females, and have more experience, would be
better and more accurate in their depiction of the scenes. Having straight
girls kiss and act like lesbians does not come off; it looks very much like
straight women trying. Throw in Jenna, and you change all that.

There are sex scenes. There are scenes with women making love to each
other. They are written into the script. Maybe the reason you did not
notice them is because they are so wooden that they are infinitely
forgettable. They need not be.

A show like the one today was fairly horrible. They need to change
something, and soon. It is also not very believable. I hope they figure
out some way to fix it. I like my idea (naturally) as a starter. Besides,
think of the advertising you could do with Jenna Jameson on it. You put her
picture on the side of a bus and mention the show, and you can pretty much
count on more people subscribing to Showtime. Plus, she is a true bisexual,
and would probably convert a couple of the actresses. This could only help.

Post by TA152H
So, you think putting heterosexual actresses in homosexual roles dignifies
gays? [...]

No, and I said nothing of the sort. Gays don't need anyone to "dignify
them."
This is a show and they hired actors to play the roles and the actors
they hired are doing a fine job _of what they are given._ They cannot
play sexual scenes that are not written for them. Of the intimate scenes
we've seen they have been rather peripherally physical without showing a
whole lot of anything. The actors have nothing to do with that -- they
are following a script. Perhaps what you want, then, is a porn star to
write it. Or maybe you should just watch porn instead.

l***@large

2004-04-05 16:11:24 UTC

"TA152H" <***@worldnet.att.net> kindly wrote:

[snip]

To be brief:
1. The kisses/intimate scenes have not looked wooden to me.
2. Porn looks so fake it is laughable.
3. No one respects female porn stars, bisexual or not, except maybe
men who watch porn. And that's defining 'respect' loosely.
3. You are obviously not a lesbian.

I'll leave you to others who might enjoy discussing your POV.

Have a good day.

Ltcomdr

2004-04-05 23:24:14 UTC

Post by TA152H
Plus, she is a true bisexual,
and would probably convert a couple of the actresses. This could only help.

LOL

I hope I'm not opening a can of worms with this but here goes anyway...
It doesn't bother me that straight actors are playing lesbian roles or
that the one actual lesbian is playing a bisexual. Afterall gay and
lesbian actors have been playing straight roles for years (or forever as
is more acurate).

I also think that they are doing a good job at it and don't find the
interactions wooden on screen.

And finally, just incase I haven't incensed enough people with my
ramblings. It's a tv show at the end of the day and is there to
entertain (it can educate along the way - but it must entertain first
and foremost) and for me, entertain it does.

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TA152H

2004-04-06 01:10:26 UTC

You know, I really would not mind straight actresses playing gays if they
could pull it off better. Someone gay acting straight is much easier, since
they probably have a lot more experience with it(it being more socially
acceptable) and at the risk of being offensive we all have at least a little
bit of that in us. I mean, if our parents did not have these instincts we
probably would not exist at all. Our genes come from them, so somewhere in
everyone must have some attraction to the opposite sex. There is no
biological imperative associated with homosexuality, so I think it is
completely alien to many heterosexuals. It seems to be to these actresses
:P. Of course, I could be completely wrong, not being gay. Maybe they find
opposite sex relations as objectionable as heterosexuals (I do not mean all,
but those who have no homosexual inclinations) do homosexual relations. I
hope this does not come off as gay bashing.

The girl/girl sex does not seem very natural for me. I may sound like a
girl here, but without passion sex is just boring. I can not imagine having
passion for another guy, and I get a really strong feeling the girls in this
show find it equally difficult time finding passion for their sexual scenes.
You can even tell the which porno queens really like women and which do it
for the money. Some things can not be faked. You can not fake how people
attracted to each other touch, or move.

Honestly, I think they should just get rid of the sex scenes because they do
not know how to make them hot. Either that or get that guy from "Family
Business" Adam Glasser (I think that is his name) to direct some of the
clips and see what they can do. There is nothing wrong with making the show
non-sexual, but if they insist using that as a lure, I think they need
better bait.

I agree with you on the entertainment aspect of it being the most important
thing, but I am not in complete agreement it succeeds as well as it could or
should. Let me ask you this, would you not be a little more entertained if,
for example, Jenna Jameson were one of the actresses and were involved in
some scenes? I saw a couple of women interviewed say that they were not gay
until they met her :P. When another woman insisted she had no interest in
same sex relations, one of them said that is only because they had never met
Jenna. I believe it :P.

Post by TA152H
Plus, she is a true bisexual,
and would probably convert a couple of the actresses. This could only help.

LOL
I hope I'm not opening a can of worms with this but here goes anyway...
It doesn't bother me that straight actors are playing lesbian roles or
that the one actual lesbian is playing a bisexual. Afterall gay and
lesbian actors have been playing straight roles for years (or forever as
is more acurate).
I also think that they are doing a good job at it and don't find the
interactions wooden on screen.
And finally, just incase I haven't incensed enough people with my
ramblings. It's a tv show at the end of the day and is there to
entertain (it can educate along the way - but it must entertain first
and foremost) and for me, entertain it does.
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Chel Pompa

2004-04-06 02:06:46 UTC

i'm sorry, but Marina/Karina rocks!!! i love that Dakota Indian / European
look of hers. She can ride through my yard buttnaked, with a head dress on
any day!!!!!!!!!!

Post by TA152H
You know, I really would not mind straight actresses playing gays if they
could pull it off better. Someone gay acting straight is much easier, since
they probably have a lot more experience with it(it being more socially
acceptable) and at the risk of being offensive we all have at least a little
bit of that in us. I mean, if our parents did not have these instincts we
probably would not exist at all. Our genes come from them, so somewhere in
everyone must have some attraction to the opposite sex. There is no
biological imperative associated with homosexuality, so I think it is
completely alien to many heterosexuals. It seems to be to these actresses
:P. Of course, I could be completely wrong, not being gay. Maybe they find
opposite sex relations as objectionable as heterosexuals (I do not mean all,
but those who have no homosexual inclinations) do homosexual relations. I
hope this does not come off as gay bashing.
The girl/girl sex does not seem very natural for me. I may sound like a
girl here, but without passion sex is just boring. I can not imagine having
passion for another guy, and I get a really strong feeling the girls in this
show find it equally difficult time finding passion for their sexual scenes.
You can even tell the which porno queens really like women and which do it
for the money. Some things can not be faked. You can not fake how people
attracted to each other touch, or move.
Honestly, I think they should just get rid of the sex scenes because they do
not know how to make them hot. Either that or get that guy from "Family
Business" Adam Glasser (I think that is his name) to direct some of the
clips and see what they can do. There is nothing wrong with making the show
non-sexual, but if they insist using that as a lure, I think they need
better bait.
I agree with you on the entertainment aspect of it being the most important
thing, but I am not in complete agreement it succeeds as well as it could or
should. Let me ask you this, would you not be a little more entertained if,
for example, Jenna Jameson were one of the actresses and were involved in
some scenes? I saw a couple of women interviewed say that they were not gay
until they met her :P. When another woman insisted she had no interest in
same sex relations, one of them said that is only because they had never met
Jenna. I believe it :P.

Post by TA152H
Plus, she is a true bisexual,
and would probably convert a couple of the actresses. This could only help.

LOL
I hope I'm not opening a can of worms with this but here goes anyway...
It doesn't bother me that straight actors are playing lesbian roles or
that the one actual lesbian is playing a bisexual. Afterall gay and
lesbian actors have been playing straight roles for years (or forever as
is more acurate).
I also think that they are doing a good job at it and don't find the
interactions wooden on screen.
And finally, just incase I haven't incensed enough people with my
ramblings. It's a tv show at the end of the day and is there to
entertain (it can educate along the way - but it must entertain first
and foremost) and for me, entertain it does.
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l***@large

2004-04-06 03:08:15 UTC

"TA152H" <***@worldnet.att.net> kindly wrote:

[snip]

Ack. To answer that would take the best part of an hour. Suffice it to
say, ... oh, that answering that would take the best part of an hour.

I don't agree with *so* much of what you say. There. That was short.
:)

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Ltcomdr

2004-04-06 21:15:51 UTC

.......................cut here..................................
I agree with you on the entertainment aspect of it being the most
important thing, but I am not in complete agreement it succeeds as
well as it could or should. Let me ask you this, would you not be a
little more entertained if, for example, Jenna Jameson were one of the
actresses and were involved in some scenes? I saw a couple of women
interviewed say that they were not gay until they met her :P. When
another woman insisted she had no interest in same sex relations, one
of them said that is only because they had never met Jenna. I believe
it :P.

I'll be completely honest with you I had no idea who Jenna Jameson was
so I did a search on the web - and having done that I can say without a
doubt that I wouldn't want to see her in the show! Holy crap a porn star
should be in porn shows and I would never say that The L Word was porn.

And that stands no matter how many people have said that they were
straight before they met her.

Post by TA152H
Plus, she is a true bisexual,
and would probably convert a couple of the actresses. This could only help.

LOL
I hope I'm not opening a can of worms with this but here goes
anyway... It doesn't bother me that straight actors are playing
lesbian roles or that the one actual lesbian is playing a bisexual.
Afterall gay and lesbian actors have been playing straight roles for
years (or forever as is more acurate).
I also think that they are doing a good job at it and don't find the
interactions wooden on screen.
And finally, just incase I haven't incensed enough people with my
ramblings. It's a tv show at the end of the day and is there to
entertain (it can educate along the way - but it must entertain first
and foremost) and for me, entertain it does.

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TA152H

2004-04-06 20:41:11 UTC

It is not like you can not put clothes on her or anything. It is not like
she would have to be in porn type sex scenes either. Clearly she is much
more attractive and sexy than the current cast, and that is an asset that
could be used as seen fit. I am not advocating porno type scenes.

I'll be completely honest with you I had no idea who Jenna Jameson was
so I did a search on the web - and having done that I can say without a
doubt that I wouldn't want to see her in the show! Holy crap a porn star
should be in porn shows and I would never say that The L Word was porn.
And that stands no matter how many people have said that they were
straight before they met her.

Post by TA152H
Plus, she is a true bisexual,
and would probably convert a couple of the actresses. This could only help.

LOL
I hope I'm not opening a can of worms with this but here goes
anyway... It doesn't bother me that straight actors are playing
lesbian roles or that the one actual lesbian is playing a bisexual.
Afterall gay and lesbian actors have been playing straight roles for
years (or forever as is more acurate).
I also think that they are doing a good job at it and don't find the
interactions wooden on screen.
And finally, just incase I haven't incensed enough people with my
ramblings. It's a tv show at the end of the day and is there to
entertain (it can educate along the way - but it must entertain first
and foremost) and for me, entertain it does.

l***@large.com

2004-04-07 00:58:44 UTC

Post by TA152H
It is not like you can not put clothes on her or anything. It is not like
she would have to be in porn type sex scenes either. Clearly she is much
more attractive and sexy than the current cast, and that is an asset that
could be used as seen fit. I am not advocating porno type scenes.

It wouldn't matter. If you put a porn star into *anything* you
immediately make that production classless.

Only a str8 man would make such an offensive suggestion. If you want to
see her, watch porn and see her.

If this show cast a porn star to play one of the leads -- or even a
minor character -- I wouldn't watch it and I'm sure I'm not alone in
that. It's bad enough they cast Snoop (who makes porn in real life) to
be on. If he were a regular I'd say FUCK YOU to TPTB and watch Deadwood
twice on Sunday's instead of L-Word once and Deadwood once.

And btw, their sex scenes, such as they are, are not wooden. Perhaps
your idea of affection between women is warped from watching too much
porn yourself.

Maybe you should think about sticking to what you know -- believe me, it
is not lesbians or lesbian sex.

***@large

TA152H

2004-04-07 02:02:51 UTC

The production is already classless, it is also pretentious. Putting a babe
like Jenna in could only improve it.

There is nothing intrinsic about a porn star that makes them bad actresses.

If those scenes are sensual, maybe you should try men for a while. You
would be better off, or at least find better partners. That hurried form of
frantic sex is pure crap and not realistic. Watch Jenna work on a woman :P.

It wouldn't matter. If you put a porn star into *anything* you
immediately make that production classless.
Only a str8 man would make such an offensive suggestion. If you want to
see her, watch porn and see her.
If this show cast a porn star to play one of the leads -- or even a
minor character -- I wouldn't watch it and I'm sure I'm not alone in
that. It's bad enough they cast Snoop (who makes porn in real life) to
be on. If he were a regular I'd say FUCK YOU to TPTB and watch Deadwood
twice on Sunday's instead of L-Word once and Deadwood once.
And btw, their sex scenes, such as they are, are not wooden. Perhaps
your idea of affection between women is warped from watching too much
porn yourself.
Maybe you should think about sticking to what you know -- believe me, it
is not lesbians or lesbian sex.

Chel Pompa

2004-04-07 03:23:46 UTC

so porn stars actually have lines? i mean, that don't included moaning?
who's jenna? i know she's a porn star, just no clue who she is. but if she's
got the fake boobs going, no thanks.

Post by TA152H
The production is already classless, it is also pretentious. Putting a babe
like Jenna in could only improve it.
There is nothing intrinsic about a porn star that makes them bad actresses.
If those scenes are sensual, maybe you should try men for a while. You
would be better off, or at least find better partners. That hurried form of
frantic sex is pure crap and not realistic. Watch Jenna work on a woman :P.

Post by TA152H
It is not like you can not put clothes on her or anything. It is not

Post by TA152H
she would have to be in porn type sex scenes either. Clearly she is much
more attractive and sexy than the current cast, and that is an asset that
could be used as seen fit. I am not advocating porno type scenes.

It wouldn't matter. If you put a porn star into *anything* you
immediately make that production classless.
Only a str8 man would make such an offensive suggestion. If you want to
see her, watch porn and see her.
If this show cast a porn star to play one of the leads -- or even a
minor character -- I wouldn't watch it and I'm sure I'm not alone in
that. It's bad enough they cast Snoop (who makes porn in real life) to
be on. If he were a regular I'd say FUCK YOU to TPTB and watch Deadwood
twice on Sunday's instead of L-Word once and Deadwood once.
And btw, their sex scenes, such as they are, are not wooden. Perhaps
your idea of affection between women is warped from watching too much
porn yourself.
Maybe you should think about sticking to what you know -- believe me, it
is not lesbians or lesbian sex.

TA152H

2004-04-09 09:48:43 UTC

Chel,

I am not saying they are good actresses based on porn, but I am saying it is
probably possible to teach them to become decent actresses if they are not
yet. I mean, acting is pretty much part of everyone's life anyway, just we
do not have a camera on us.

Unfortunately, and I agree with you, she does have those silicone boobs. It
is kind of sad because I saw pictures of her before and she looked better.
Women are so damn stupid for ruining perfectly shaped bodies by get breast
jobs. Just dumb.

There are plenty of other porn queens to choose from, Jenna is the only one
I know of so I mentioned her. Certainly they could find one that is decent
enough at acting as well as being sensual and beautiful. I can see average
people without watching TV, when I watch TV I generally like seeing babes.

Post by Chel Pompa
so porn stars actually have lines? i mean, that don't included moaning?
who's jenna? i know she's a porn star, just no clue who she is. but if she's
got the fake boobs going, no thanks.

Post by TA152H
The production is already classless, it is also pretentious. Putting a

babe

Post by TA152H
like Jenna in could only improve it.
There is nothing intrinsic about a porn star that makes them bad

actresses.

Post by TA152H
If those scenes are sensual, maybe you should try men for a while. You
would be better off, or at least find better partners. That hurried

form

Post by Chel Pompa
of

Post by TA152H
frantic sex is pure crap and not realistic. Watch Jenna work on a woman

:P.

Post by TA152H

Post by TA152H
It is not like you can not put clothes on her or anything. It is not

Post by TA152H
she would have to be in porn type sex scenes either. Clearly she is

much

Post by TA152H

Post by TA152H
more attractive and sexy than the current cast, and that is an asset

that

Post by TA152H

Post by TA152H
could be used as seen fit. I am not advocating porno type scenes.

It wouldn't matter. If you put a porn star into *anything* you
immediately make that production classless.
Only a str8 man would make such an offensive suggestion. If you want to
see her, watch porn and see her.
If this show cast a porn star to play one of the leads -- or even a
minor character -- I wouldn't watch it and I'm sure I'm not alone in
that. It's bad enough they cast Snoop (who makes porn in real life) to
be on. If he were a regular I'd say FUCK YOU to TPTB and watch Deadwood
twice on Sunday's instead of L-Word once and Deadwood once.
And btw, their sex scenes, such as they are, are not wooden. Perhaps
your idea of affection between women is warped from watching too much
porn yourself.
Maybe you should think about sticking to what you know -- believe me, it
is not lesbians or lesbian sex.

Ltcomdr

2004-04-12 00:43:07 UTC

Post by TA152H
It is not like you can not put clothes on her or anything. It is not
like she would have to be in porn type sex scenes either. Clearly she
is much more attractive and sexy than the current cast, and that is an
asset that could be used as seen fit. I am not advocating porno type

Yeah I get that you can put clothes on her I'm not saying that. And I'm
not knocking porno's (I haven't watched more then half of one but that
was naff) but it's a long running joke on the quality of the acting in
them so I think she might be better placed where she is.

I have to say I wouldn't find her attractive in the least and I'd pick
any one of the current cast over her any day (given the chance - with
the exception of Jenny). I understand that type of look is attractive to
others but it's all too fake for me. And I think it would add a fake
factor to the show which is how I believe this discussion started.

2004-04-08 00:08:01 UTC

Sorry Bubba ... JJ does nothing for this lesbian ... Marina's reserved
sensuality and georgeous looks makes JJ look like a blow up sex doll.
And if you don't think straight women can pull off girl/girl action go
have a look at "Desert Hearts" .... the dark haired actress was even
pregnant at the time.

For the rest of the folks who have not seen Jenna Jameson, here are

some

quick pictures.
Is it even remotely possible that two people on this earth would not

like to

see more of her (not meant literally :P). If so, I must be in

Twilight Zone

episode :P.
Picture her instead of Shane. It works much better.

.......................cut

here..................................

I agree with you on the entertainment aspect of it being the most
important thing, but I am not in complete agreement it succeeds as
well as it could or should. Let me ask you this, would you not be a
little more entertained if, for example, Jenna Jameson were one of the
actresses and were involved in some scenes? I saw a couple of women
interviewed say that they were not gay until they met her :P.

When

another woman insisted she had no interest in same sex

relations, one

of them said that is only because they had never met Jenna. I believe
it :P.

I'll be completely honest with you I had no idea who Jenna Jameson was
so I did a search on the web - and having done that I can say without a
doubt that I wouldn't want to see her in the show! Holy crap a porn star
should be in porn shows and I would never say that The L Word was porn.
And that stands no matter how many people have said that they were
straight before they met her.

Post by TA152H
Plus, she is a true bisexual,
and would probably convert a couple of the actresses. This

could

Post by TA152H
only help.

LOL
I hope I'm not opening a can of worms with this but here goes
anyway... It doesn't bother me that straight actors are playing
lesbian roles or that the one actual lesbian is playing a

bisexual.

Post by Ltcomdr
Afterall gay and lesbian actors have been playing straight roles for
years (or forever as is more acurate).
I also think that they are doing a good job at it and don't find the
interactions wooden on screen.
And finally, just incase I haven't incensed enough people with my
ramblings. It's a tv show at the end of the day and is there to
entertain (it can educate along the way - but it must entertain first
and foremost) and for me, entertain it does.

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2004-04-09 10:00:33 UTC

Marina looks like a swamp swine next to Jenna. I would be inclined to think
maybe that men and lesbians had different preferences, but lesbians use
Jenna as an example of a woman that other women can not resist. Of course,
that means in person.

Is a blow up sex doll a bad thing :P?

Honestly, do you really think Marina is gorgeous? I think she is a mule. I
am not saying you are wrong, but I am thinking that perhaps men and lesbians
have different tastes after all (although not with regard to Jenna :P). To
me gorgeous is something like Marilyn Monroe, Sharon Stone 10 years ago,
Denise Richards, Jenniffer Connelly in some movies (like The Hulk), etc...
Would you place Marina in that category? I have her in the barn is why I
ask, so I am curious if we differ that much.

As far as her reserved sensuality, I totally disagree. I find her body
movements clumsy and vulgar and entirely uneffeminate. I mean, maybe her
character is supposed to be that way, but in the show she does not come off
that way at all to me. The one I like the most was Laura, but they seem to
have gotten rid of her. I thought she has a very nice demeanor and was
quite pretty. She had a vulnerability to her that the others seem to grasp
for but can not pull off as well. That is my opinion anyway.

I can tell you these straight actresses can not pull it off in this show.
Being pregnant does not preclude a woman from liking other women, certainly
bisexual females are quite common. I have "known" more than a few. To be
honest, the ones that protest that they would never sleep with another girl
seem to be trying to convince themselves of it. This is particularly true
when the next sentence they say how beautiful the female body is. I think
women liking women is not uncommon and probably has a evolutionary
significance in that it creates stronger bonds. There seems to be no
downside to female bisexuality.

Post by AJ
Sorry Bubba ... JJ does nothing for this lesbian ... Marina's reserved
sensuality and georgeous looks makes JJ look like a blow up sex doll.
And if you don't think straight women can pull off girl/girl action go
have a look at "Desert Hearts" .... the dark haired actress was even
pregnant at the time.

For the rest of the folks who have not seen Jenna Jameson, here are

some

quick pictures.
Is it even remotely possible that two people on this earth would not

like to

see more of her (not meant literally :P). If so, I must be in

Twilight Zone

episode :P.
Picture her instead of Shane. It works much better.

.......................cut

here..................................

I agree with you on the entertainment aspect of it being the

most

important thing, but I am not in complete agreement it succeeds

well as it could or should. Let me ask you this, would you not

be a

little more entertained if, for example, Jenna Jameson were one

of the

actresses and were involved in some scenes? I saw a couple of

women

interviewed say that they were not gay until they met her :P.

When

another woman insisted she had no interest in same sex

relations, one

of them said that is only because they had never met Jenna. I

believe

it :P.

I'll be completely honest with you I had no idea who Jenna Jameson

was

Post by Ltcomdr
so I did a search on the web - and having done that I can say

without a

Post by Ltcomdr
doubt that I wouldn't want to see her in the show! Holy crap a

porn star

Post by Ltcomdr
should be in porn shows and I would never say that The L Word was

porn.

Post by Ltcomdr
And that stands no matter how many people have said that they were
straight before they met her.

Post by TA152H
Plus, she is a true bisexual,
and would probably convert a couple of the actresses. This

could

Post by TA152H
only help.

LOL
I hope I'm not opening a can of worms with this but here goes
anyway... It doesn't bother me that straight actors are playing
lesbian roles or that the one actual lesbian is playing a

bisexual.

Post by Ltcomdr
Afterall gay and lesbian actors have been playing straight

roles for

Post by Ltcomdr
years (or forever as is more acurate).
I also think that they are doing a good job at it and don't

find the

Post by Ltcomdr
interactions wooden on screen.
And finally, just incase I haven't incensed enough people with

Post by Ltcomdr
ramblings. It's a tv show at the end of the day and is there to
entertain (it can educate along the way - but it must entertain

first

Post by Ltcomdr
and foremost) and for me, entertain it does.

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2004-04-09 17:37:41 UTC

Post by TA152H
I can tell you these straight actresses can not pull it off in this show.

Do you realize just how stupidly narcissistic you are coming off,
telling *lesbians* what looks real and what doesn't?

Post by TA152H
To be
honest, the ones that protest that they would never sleep with another girl
seem to be trying to convince themselves of it.

It must really fry your ego that there are women who would never want
you. Or any other man.

BTW I created this group for lesbians -- not for str8 men -- though
anyone is welcome as long as they don't come here to preach, gay bash,
or be offensive (all in the FAQ which I will repost for your
edification). You remarks have been offensive ever since you got here.
And I've stated it at least once before, plainly. This makes twice.

If you want to argue that what lesbians really want is a man, go to
alt.homosexuality or some other appropriate newsgroup and discuss it
all you want. And while you're at it rethink the porn crap too. It is
not titillating. It is not appreciated. No one has agreed with you. No
one will. You are continuing to bring it up b/c you think it's sexy of
you to talk about it. It doesn't make you sexy. It doesn't make you
appealing. It just makes you look out of touch and desparate.

Or you can keep down the road you're headed and everyone will PLONK!
you, leaving your posts not only unread, but uncollected off the
server.

Gr8est said you were a troll and you jumped all over him denying it.
So far, Gr8est has said nothing offensive here, while you have and
continue to in your own little "polite" way. So I guess we'll see if
Gr8est was right...

***@large

TA152H

2004-04-09 18:15:40 UTC

If this is for lesbians, than why is it about a show? I mean, it is a
pretty stupid title if only lesbians are supposed to post here because the
show is for anyone.

I probably have been intimate with more women than most lesbians have, and
there is no difference between bisexual and straight women with regards to
sex. That junk on TV would only fool a lesbian, perhaps. Or really only a
couple here. I also know, in real life two girls that are into girls. They
think the show sucks so I could not even ask them if they thought Jenna
would work better.

As usual, you completely understood my remark, which I attribute to low
reading comprehension or perhaps just a bad effort to start an argument. I
was not saying a woman would like me or another man, I mean how could anyone
even get that interpretation? I was saying that "straight" women who say
they are only "straight" are probably trying to convince themselves of it.
Most women at least have some interest in other women, even if it is only
curiousity. How can this possible mean I think all women are attracted to
me or other men? Good grief.

What kind of weirdo would think mentioning a porno queen would make
themselves seem sexier? How purely idiotic. Porn does not make the watcher
sexier, and it is not something I know much about or try to look like I know
much about. I only know of Jenna Jameson, and if I wanted to seem like a
real porn watcher I would have come up with more names, etc... I saw her on
Howard Stern's show, and thought she was pretty appealing, and then about
two weeks later, saw girls talking about her. It cemented her imagine in my
brain and I use her as an example. Is it even possible to you that I really
believe adding a sexpot would improve the show? Is it that unimaginable?
Most shows do have very attractive females in it, but for me to want one in
this show, I must be doing it to seem sexier? Your interpretation is purely
idiotic.

I find your pretentions rather amusing. You refer to a porn queen as
"classless", but you watch a show that shows Jesus sodomizing a girl as part
of an art representation. Yes, that is real class. This show is not about
class, it should be provoking. A porn queen of striking appearance and real
female attraction would only help it. You pretentious folks who think this
is another Godfather in the making are taking yourselves and this show too
seriously. This show is not going to liberate lesbians or make them more
likeable. It is not for gay liberation or anything like that. It is about
entertainment. You will have to do the liberation on your own, and
hopefully with more sense and tact. Then again, who hates lesbians anyway?
Gay men are generally disliked. Gay women? Only the extreme right groups
do, and they are not too numerous.

Most people that read these forums do not post, and the fact Jenna Jameson
is so popular indicates that people do like her. Also, with you pretentious
jackasses always insulting me for saying it, no one wants to subject
themselves to flames. Kind of funny for gays to hate freedom of expression
so much and be so offended by a porn queen. You guys think you fall into
biblical heaven? I am afraid not. So, be more tolerant of other people,
lest you be viewed as the biological defects that you are.

I am done with this forum. You guys can all agree with each other and kiss
each other's buttocks instead of actually have another point of view that
you may not agree with. In forums everyone should agree with each other,
that makes it very interesting. In case you are too stupid to realize, that
is sarcasm.

You should be flattered I even wasted this much time arguing with you.
Normally, I think better of wasting my time with idiots who think they know
everything and will not understand a single word of it, because they already
"know" what I am thinking.

Post by l***@large

Post by TA152H
I can tell you these straight actresses can not pull it off in this show.

Do you realize just how stupidly narcissistic you are coming off,
telling *lesbians* what looks real and what doesn't?

Post by TA152H
To be
honest, the ones that protest that they would never sleep with another girl
seem to be trying to convince themselves of it.

It must really fry your ego that there are women who would never want
you. Or any other man.
BTW I created this group for lesbians -- not for str8 men -- though
anyone is welcome as long as they don't come here to preach, gay bash,
or be offensive (all in the FAQ which I will repost for your
edification). You remarks have been offensive ever since you got here.
And I've stated it at least once before, plainly. This makes twice.
If you want to argue that what lesbians really want is a man, go to
alt.homosexuality or some other appropriate newsgroup and discuss it
all you want. And while you're at it rethink the porn crap too. It is
not titillating. It is not appreciated. No one has agreed with you. No
one will. You are continuing to bring it up b/c you think it's sexy of
you to talk about it. It doesn't make you sexy. It doesn't make you
appealing. It just makes you look out of touch and desparate.
Or you can keep down the road you're headed and everyone will PLONK!
you, leaving your posts not only unread, but uncollected off the
server.
Gr8est said you were a troll and you jumped all over him denying it.
So far, Gr8est has said nothing offensive here, while you have and
continue to in your own little "polite" way. So I guess we'll see if
Gr8est was right...

l***@large

2004-04-09 20:40:35 UTC

"TA152H" <***@worldnet.att.net> kindly wrote:

First of all, I *did* misread your post. For that I apologize.

Post by TA152H
If this is for lesbians, than why is it about a show? I mean, it is a
pretty stupid title if only lesbians are supposed to post here because the
show is for anyone.

Read the FAQ and my post again. You're doing some misreading yourself.

[...]

Post by TA152H
I was saying that "straight" women who say
they are only "straight" are probably trying to convince themselves of it.
Most women at least have some interest in other women, even if it is only
curiousity.

Notwithstanding my apology, there *are* straight people, just as there
are gay people. Not every woman likes the thought of being with
another woman.

Post by TA152H
What kind of weirdo would think mentioning a porno queen would make
themselves seem sexier? How purely idiotic. Porn does not make the watcher
sexier, and it is not something I know much about or try to look like I know
much about. I only know of Jenna Jameson, and if I wanted to seem like a
real porn watcher I would have come up with more names, etc... I saw her on
Howard Stern's show, and thought she was pretty appealing, and then about
two weeks later, saw girls talking about her. It cemented her imagine in my
brain and I use her as an example. Is it even possible to you that I really
believe adding a sexpot would improve the show? Is it that unimaginable?
Most shows do have very attractive females in it, but for me to want one in
this show, I must be doing it to seem sexier? Your interpretation is purely
idiotic.

I"m idiotic and -you're- the one watching Howard Stern. Well, that
speaks for itself...

It's funny it is a surprise to you that lesbians would not want a porn
star playing a lesbian character and would find your *repeated
insistence* of it offensive.

Post by TA152H
I find your pretentions rather amusing. You refer to a porn queen as
"classless", but you watch a show that shows Jesus sodomizing a girl as part
of an art representation.

Whether you found that offensive or not, no one knew that *one-time
brief scene* was coming. If the show were all about showing a symbolic
Jesus sodomizing someone week after week, I wouldn't watch it. I'd
have no reason to.

Post by TA152H
You pretentious folks who think this
is another Godfather in the making are taking yourselves and this show too
seriously.

ROTF!! Oh yeah we've really been talking this show up!

Post by TA152H
Most people that read these forums do not post, and the fact Jenna Jameson
is so popular indicates that people do like her. Also, with you pretentious
jackasses always insulting me for saying it, no one wants to subject
themselves to flames.

Now that's rich! We're insulting *you* who insists that a porn star
should be in this show to represent our community in the first lesbian
series ever! We're insulting *you*?

Post by TA152H
Kind of funny for gays to hate freedom of expression
so much and be so offended by a porn queen.

I don't care what JJ does with her career or her booty. I'm not
offended by porn and that isn't the issue. That doesn't mean I want
porn stars in L-Word. And USENET is not about freedom of expression
**to the exclusion of** the charter and FAQ of each ng.

Post by TA152H
You guys think you fall into
biblical heaven? I am afraid not. So, be more tolerant of other people,
lest you be viewed as the biological defects that you are.

And now the true colors come out. If you didn't need to read the FAQ
before, you do now. Or...

Post by TA152H
I am done with this forum.

That's even better.

***@large

Gr8est

2004-04-11 23:03:00 UTC

Post by l***@large
Gr8est said you were a troll and you jumped all over him denying it.
So far, Gr8est has said nothing offensive here, while you have and
continue to in your own little "polite" way. So I guess we'll see if
Gr8est was right...

Vindication at last! Thank you ***@large. I thought I was the only
one to find TA152H's posts offensive.

l***@large

2004-04-12 18:18:30 UTC

Post by Gr8est

one to find TA152H's posts offensive.

I think we were all trying to ignore his "cluelessness." IAC, the
season is over and it appears he has flown, so all's well that ends
well!

***@large

TA152H

2004-04-03 22:03:40 UTC